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    Posted: 10 Jul 2012 at 2:56pm
I have a spare set repro that I had for my smash tv
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O.K. - that settles it for me.
 
And I think I'll do what you did - make a completely new CP and put in a pair of WICOs. Playability first (and looks). But the building conservator in me will save the original CP + joysticks for posterity (a "reversible alteration").
 
But the Euro repro overlay: do you know where I can buy it, or who used to make/sell them? 
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Yeah, those are definitely the original sticks. Only had four holes though when originally fitted:



The sticks on mine where long gone (pic above not mine). So I'm using wicos. From a purist point of view the originals would be better .....
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Those are the ones. I'd forgotten they had a round body too. It's been 10yrs since I had a euro Robotron here (I have a US one now) so you're probably right on them being mounted through the CP. The wood was likely to stop the CP flexing during frantic games ;)

I think 3/4" ply is just a common size.

The start button you have there matches the ones I had too - black surround with a yellow button. I replaced them with translucent blues and put one of the yellow ones on a Euro Joust as I recall.
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So these monsters are the originals!?

Even though we could see the big holes in all 3 CPs, we still ruled them out as being the originals. It’s such an ugly solution, it just couldn’t be the original set-up! But are you sure they weren’t bolted through the CP? Do you have a picture to back it up? Our 3 CPs all have 8 holes around each joystick. The Up-Down-Left-Right holes fit with the 4 holes on the “monster-joystick”, whereas the diagonal holes fit with the traces of a joystick mounting plate (?) with a suspiciously “WICO-ish” look to it. Compare it to the WICO centering grommet in the middle which I put in for reference, and you see what I mean. These trace marks we thought were from the first joystick assembly. They look like – maybe - they could be after some sort of different WICO joystick model, i.e. different from the ones in US Robotron, after which the trace marks would’ve been rectangular (3” x 3.5”).

Oddly, the “ugly-sticks” were in when I bought my Robotron in 1987. This also seemed to corroborate that they were joystick model #2 in succession. I bought my Robotron from an operator, and he bad-mouthed the joysticks, I remember. They were broken, so he threw in a pair new of micro switch sticks (and a second broken pair of the ugly ones). In the picture you can see the bigger rectangular outlines after them.

Oddly #2: Why is the plywood exactly as thick as on US Robotron? It makes me think they wanted to use the WICO 4” sticks, like in US Robo. And the “ugly-sticks” does not level with the CP - the “hockey puck” is 2 mm above the CP surface. Why not have a slightly thinner plywood from the beginning, and make them level?

Still kind of strange, this, I think.

 
 
 
 
 


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Originally posted by MOS MOS wrote:

I’d be very interested to know if anyone has a Euro Robotron with the original CP intact?

I have a Euro Robo, and a friend has 2 cabs. All 3 machines has thrashed CPs. To judge by them, there’s nothing to say what were the original joysticks. I have several WICO joysticks, and we can find no holes - or traces whatsoever – on the CPs that fit with the WICOs …

 
Euro Robotrons didn't use Wicos, thet used a pretty unique stick centred by means of a ball bearing on a spring at the base of the shaft. They had a large cylindrical part in black plastic above the mounting plate which mounted through a large hole in a piece of 3/4" ply attached to the underside of the metal CP. This plastic bit sat flush with the surface of the CP - hence the holes for the sticks on these are larger than you'd usually see. They were attached by screws to the plywood from the bottom hence you don't see any bolt holes through the metal CP.
 
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I’d be very interested to know if anyone has a Euro Robotron with the original CP intact?

I have a Euro Robo, and a friend has 2 cabs. All 3 machines has thrashed CPs. To judge by them, there’s nothing to say what were the original joysticks. I have several WICO joysticks, and we can find no holes - or traces whatsoever – on the CPs that fit with the WICOs …

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The visible shaft, from bottom to where it enters the ball top (yes, I know, fnarr etc) is 3.5". I'm sure I had sticks that were shorter than this in the past, but could be wrong. The sticks 'feel' right, but yeah, I think you can get them .5" longer.

Edit: that said, my sticks sit in a piece of wood bolted to the control panel. That wood has been routed out to allow the housing to drop in. If not, the sticks would have to be fitted on the flat underside of the wood, and 3.5" would look very short .... I'll say it again though, the sticks really do feel and look right as they are. Mind you, I've got nothing to compare them to other than a very hazy set of memories .... Maybe another .5" might improve them ....

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Are they the long shaft variety? That seems awfully short...
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Here you go Martin:



I reckon that's 35mm.

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Hmm, £155 - steep, but like you say, SHINEY
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For a one off and including shipping that is a fricken BARGAIN!
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Originally posted by guddler guddler wrote:

Dare I ask how much it all set you back including shipping? Looks very nice though
In paid for them months ago .... took some sorting .... but I'm pretty sure cost was about $200, maybe as high as $250 (I'm trying to forget ..) - price included shipping. Steep, but oh so fine ...
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Yeah TOG are awesome. Really good repro house.
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Dare I ask how much it all set you back including shipping? Looks very nice though
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No worries.
 
 
You won't find any of the Roby stuff on the website - but you might notice that he does custom jobs. As he now has the artwork it probably wouldn't take him too long to turn around another commission. Feel free to mention my name - it's a recent job and still probably fresh in his mind.
 
Word of caution though, if you order, be really really careful about measurements for bezel. He prints these to tempered glass which can't be shaved / cut. Mine is mill perfect, but another couple of mill either side and it wouldn't have gone in. If I were doing it again I'd probably allow a bit of slack.
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Cheers dude. They look sweet!!

Who or whatis TOG?

All I get when googling is that it's the tog rating of a duvet
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Ah. Yes. The marquee ...
 
 
 
Gudd - I'll measure up tonight.
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All I've got for a marquee is ne printed on cardboard! It does the job ut it does look pretty naff with a light behind it.
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Nice!! I've not done much with the bezel yet. I've got the glass made up but haven't tried to put the artwork behind it yet...
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