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OK, so, with the release of a shiny new OS comes another round of PC configuration and playing about. I've actually resigned myself to the conclusion that's what I spend more of my time doing with my PC than actually just getting on and using it - but that's fine, if I didn't enjoy it, I wouldn't do it!

So I upgraded to Windows 8 last night. And yes, I really do mean upgraded. I didn't do a fresh install as this is a gaming PC and games these days tend to come down the wire so a complete wipe and fresh install would have meant gigabytes upon gigabytes of downloads. That's the flip side to the instant gratification you get of buying a game and a couple of hours later you're immersed in playing it.

I learnt after my last accidental HDD wipe (yep, my fault!) that keeping all my save game folders for the various games on a folder in DropBox and using hard links to them so the games don't know they're not where they think they are is a great way to save my arse so there was no backup / restore required, just an in-situ upgrade.

SO, I have to say the upgrade went flawlessly. I learnt a long time ago to disconnect all drives other than the one you're installing to or you'll lose your custom bootloaders and so on, so that's what I did. I noticed later on in the evening that when Windows started it's first malware scan and also when I enabled File Versioning (or whatever it's called) that my HDD was on it's knees. It was thrashing away like buggery.

I've known for a long time that the HDD is the bottleneck in my system. When I built it 18 months ago it was a high end system but I couldn't afford SSDs and I didn't think they were mature enough to go with them (loads of money for not very much space) so I have 3 SATA drives in my system. 1 has OS X, 1 has Windows and temporarily I have 1 that has documents and is a general test bed / hive of villany.

So I'm thinking SSDs. Problem is, I have a Gigabyte X58 based motherboard. And they're known to have compatibility issues with SATA-III and SSDs due to the chipset used for SATA-III in them. There's not much I can do about that.

So would it still be worth me getting a SATA-II? Or maybe SATA-III, run it on the S2 ports assuming that one day soon there'll be another system upgrade in the works.

And for those of you that are rocking your SSDs, how do you go about the split? I don't have masses and masses of data but in my Windows drive I'm probably using about 300GB or so of a 640GB drive (that's basically OS and games). In OS X i'm probably using half of a 500GB drive.

SSDs of 128GB are starting to be affordable but even that isn't enough to just do a straight swap so how do you split it between OS and, well, other??? What do you put where etc. Or do you just raid up 5 SSDs and call it a day (yeah right, can't afford that!).

I went through a phase of trying to keep my games OS as free from clutter as possible, only installing games on it. That got a bit muddied, there are some other things on there but generally not too much but it means I have VMWare on there and I run a VM with all my development stuff on it. Given the upgrade for Windows 8 is only going to be £25 in download form I may abandon that and go to a physical drive for all that stuff. But that kind of brings further complication in!!

Something else I'm wondering is whether it's feasible to buy a 256GB SSD and partition it for two operating systems. But I think Windows and OS X handle stuff like block alignment and TRIM differently so I don't know if that would be possible? It does seem like to get a good working SSD based setup you need to know far more low level stuff that you've had to know for many, many years. Hence wanting to get some feedback...
 

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When I was still running a desktop PC I used a 40GB SSD for the OS and programs, and had about 10GB free. There was a 1TB drive in the same machine for data/WIP. Backup handled by Crashplan.

New machine is a laptop with 128GB SSD, and two memory card slots (MS and SD). I'm keeping things lean and storing all important stuff on the SSD, and keeping a bunch of SD cards for anything I don't need immediate access to.

I haven't played PC games at all for a few years, but I guess what I'd do would be similar to my desktop setup. SSD for anything that benefits from fast access times, and HDD for anything that will eat up space.

Dual booting on an SSD should be no different to on a HDD.

Or you could always buy one of those 5 1/4" bay SATA docks and simply swap drives out. Not sure how many insertions the SATA connectors are rated for though.
 

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I bought a 128GB SSD for Windows 8 - cost me £64.99 including delivery from Amazon. It's the best thing EVER!

I am running a 500GB SATA drive for files and photos which is fine and does the job.
 

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What about stuff like games. Irrespective of peoples opinions on them, I play stuff like World Of Warcraft and that consumes between 25 - 30GB (haven't checked lately!). So would you try to bung them on the SATA drive?

The big ones like WoW, Diablo 3, SW:TOR are quite friendly for doing stuff like that as they like to be in the root of the drive anyway so I can't see it making much difference if they're in C: or D: but most all of the other games are likely to expect to be living in C:program Files so may take a bit more persuasion.

I'm not sure if you'd want the speed benefit on the games or not but if you can't divorce them from the SSD then it's going to get pretty expensive, pretty quick.

I think Rav may have SSDs in his rig. He's not back until the end of the week though so may not see this.
 

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Have games become that bad? Back when I actually used to play PC stuff I never encountered anything that couldn't be installed anywhere I chose.
 

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It's the fact theyre not self contained.

The Blizzard games are very well behaved. You tell them where to install and EVERYTHING is contained within there. Hence mentioning Diablo 3 and WoW (plus BioWare get a favourable mention with SW:TOR as they did the same).

Stuff that's installed in a more conventional manner like via DVD or via Steam will install the core of the game somewhere (prob. Program Files) and then obey the Microsoft conventions for stuff like personal settings, saved games and so on, and that can very much vary into a bit of a minefield. Your AppData folder, your My Documents folder and so on. And WHAT it puts there will vary. Some games will just put a few settings, other may cache entire levels, etc. etc.

I usually have to do a google search just to find the saved game locations before hard linking them to DropBox. They don't like you to get at it as they don't want any chance of people cheating in the games.

I can't remember in Steam whether you get to choose where to install the game or not. You can certainly choose where Steam goes.
 

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I run my most popular programs from the SSD aong with the operating system.

Currently, I have BF3 installed. Levelsload so fast, I'm always one of the first in the game :)
 

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ditto, 128GB SSD with OS and regularly used programs, everything else goes on partition D on the 1Tb SATA (including the swop file, which seldom gets used since the real drive often goes to sleep!)

no point wasting SSD space on programs you don't use

if it wasn't for the delay on the SCSI card, the PC would cold boot quicker than the wives PC which is set to hibernate rather than shut down.
 
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