TECH: IC Tester

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[ukvac] TECH: IC Tester
Guys,

I am about to build an in-circuit IC tester based on something I saw on
the 'net a few months ago (but I cannot find it now).

It works as follows, it compares the outputs of the IC on the PCB
("device under test" or "DUT") with a known good device inserted into a
ZIF socket of the tester. The way I was going to build it was to have
an array of switches one for each pin of the DUT. If the pin is an
input then the switch would directly connect the DUT with the known
good device. If it is an output then the switch would connect the
appropriate pins to an exclusive or gate to indicate via a transistor
and a LED (and possibly a pulse stretcher) whether they are behaving
the same way.

It strikes me, however, that there could be a simpler way that avoids
the use of switches and exclusive or gates. If every pin (ignore
power) of the DUT was connected to the known good device via a
resistor, then the transistor and the LED could simply detect whether
there is a voltage drop across the resistor. Unfortunately, I do not
know enough about the input impedances of TTL ICs to know whether this
is feasible. Bear in mind that I will probably be testing a mixture of
TTL and LSTTL ICs. Any comments would be very welcome.

Note that I am aware that an IC tester of this sort will not be a
panacea - it is primarily intended as a quick test to spot likely
problems.

Peter

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[ukvac] Re: TECH: IC Tester
Hi Peter,

>I am about to build an in-circuit IC tester based on something
>I saw on the 'net a few months ago (but I cannot find it now)....

>Note that I am aware that an IC tester of this sort will not be a
>panacea - it is primarily intended as a quick test to spot likely
>problems.

Rather than building one why not just buy one?

Hewlett Packard make just such a device, it's called a "Logic Comparator". I've
seen them pop up at radio rallies from time to time, in fact I got mine from
such a rally a few years ago for 35.

They're worth they're weight in gold when trouble shooting boards that you
don't have the schematics for!

Just don't ask how much they are new...! ;-)

TTFN - Pete.

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[ukvac] Re: TECH: IC Tester
Hi Peter,

>I am about to build an in-circuit IC tester based on something
>I saw on the 'net a few months ago (but I cannot find it now)....

>Note that I am aware that an IC tester of this sort will not be a
>panacea - it is primarily intended as a quick test to spot likely
>problems.

Rather than building one why not just buy one?

Hewlett Packard make just such a device, it's called a "Logic Comparator". I've
seen them pop up at radio rallies from time to time, in fact I got mine from
such a rally a few years ago for 35.

They're worth they're weight in gold when trouble shooting boards that you
don't have the schematics for!

Just don't ask how much they are new...! ;-)

TTFN - Pete.

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[ukvac] Re: TECH: IC Tester
At 14:46 10/08/99 +0100, you wrote:
>Hi Peter,
>
> >I am about to build an in-circuit IC tester based on something
> >I saw on the 'net a few months ago (but I cannot find it now)....
>
> >Note that I am aware that an IC tester of this sort will not be a
> >panacea - it is primarily intended as a quick test to spot likely
> >problems.
>
>Rather than building one why not just buy one?
>
>Hewlett Packard make just such a device, it's called a "Logic Comparator".
I've
>seen them pop up at radio rallies from time to time, in fact I got mine from
>such a rally a few years ago for 35.
>
>They're worth they're weight in gold when trouble shooting boards that you
>don't have the schematics for!
>
>Just don't ask how much they are new...! ;-)

And if you *really* want to go to town, try ABI Electronics
who do a 40pin out of circuit tester (amongst other things),
their stuff is really good. (I have the Boardmaster 4000).

http://www.abielectronics.co.uk/

Cheers
Graham

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[ukvac] Re: TECH: IC Tester
At 14:46 10/08/99 +0100, you wrote:
>Hi Peter,
>
> >I am about to build an in-circuit IC tester based on something
> >I saw on the 'net a few months ago (but I cannot find it now)....
>
> >Note that I am aware that an IC tester of this sort will not be a
> >panacea - it is primarily intended as a quick test to spot likely
> >problems.
>
>Rather than building one why not just buy one?
>
>Hewlett Packard make just such a device, it's called a "Logic Comparator".
I've
>seen them pop up at radio rallies from time to time, in fact I got mine from
>such a rally a few years ago for 35.
>
>They're worth they're weight in gold when trouble shooting boards that you
>don't have the schematics for!
>
>Just don't ask how much they are new...! ;-)

And if you *really* want to go to town, try ABI Electronics
who do a 40pin out of circuit tester (amongst other things),
their stuff is really good. (I have the Boardmaster 4000).

http://www.abielectronics.co.uk/

Cheers
Graham

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[ukvac] Re: TECH: IC Tester
Simply connect the two devices (target and test) together pin to pin with 1K
resistors (ish) and use an array of octal comparitor ICs to compare each pin
(inputs and outputs). Cascade the results of the comparitors and stick an
LED on the output. This will not require any DIP switches. Easy.

I'll try to prototype one this week. If it works, anybody interested in
getting some made ?

Mike Walden
 

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[ukvac] Re: TECH: IC Tester
At 22:47 16/08/99 +0100, you wrote:
>Simply connect the two devices (target and test) together pin to pin with 1K
>resistors (ish) and use an array of octal comparitor ICs to compare each pin
>(inputs and outputs). Cascade the results of the comparitors and stick an
>LED on the output. This will not require any DIP switches. Easy.
>I'll try to prototype one this week. If it works, anybody interested in
>getting some made ?

Yeah, could be good.

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[ukvac] Re: TECH: IC Tester
Mike,

I wish I had seen this post before - I have just protoed a PCB doing it
"the hard way" with switches and the like. I even made it suitable for
home construction - single sided with nice wide tracks.

Let me know how your prototype works although I think that more useful
information could be had if the outputs of the comparators were not
cascaded and there was a LED for each pin.

> Simply connect the two devices (target and test) together pin to pin
with 1K
> resistors (ish) and use an array of octal comparitor ICs to compare
each pin
> (inputs and outputs). Cascade the results of the comparitors and
stick an
> LED on the output. This will not require any DIP switches. Easy.
>
> I'll try to prototype one this week. If it works, anybody interested
in
> getting some made ?
>
> Mike Walden

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