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I have an 18 Wheeler machine that I bought a few years ago. Bought it cheap from here because it is a machine that (and I knew this all up front) has all the wiring, io board, Naomi board, Sanwa 31khz monitor etc BUT none of it works. That’s fine because I wanted a completely non worker to convert to an Outrun 2 machine (Outrun 2 > 18 Wheeler). Monitor is ok now, have changed the 18 Wheeler steering mech for a Club Kart one, have changed the gear stick for a Sega Up Down shifter and I’ve got a PC running Tekno Parrot hooked up to the monitor only at the moment (May get a Chihiro when I’ve saved up enough pennies 😁).

The problem that I have is that when Windows 10 boots the bios screen displays fine (640x480), the loading from hibernate message displays fine (640x480), then the machines tries to display the Windows splash screen (four blue boxes that look like a window) and the image is all garbled like it is at the wrong resolution for about 2 or 3 seconds then it decides that it needs to set the resolution at 640x480 then it’s fine, boots and the monitor displays Windows fine.

I think Windows has some kind of default resolution of 800x600 or 1024x768 that is changes to before changing back, but I don’t know how to change that/stop that from happening.

The reason that I want to fix this is that I don’t want to break this monitor by displaying a resolution that it can’t handle. It seems ok at the moment, but I don’t want it to keep happening.

Any ideas how to fix this? Anyone else added a Windows 10 PC into a Sega Naomi Universal machine?
 

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Picture of Outrun 2 running. Steering wheel is off while I mess with Woodruff keys and loctite to stop the steering wheel getting loose.
 

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Windows key+R then type msconfig.
Select the boot tab and check noguiboot.

Dunno if this will work for you but just found it out and though it would be worth a try.
 

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Assuming you have an ati card, install atom-15 and set it to 31k.

Also if you haven't already, install emudriver and when you you get to the part where you run vmmaker set it to 31k.

Now you can also run groovymame and play all the driving games in perfect resolution too. For 15k games like the OG outrun turn on groovymame scanlines.
 

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Windows key+R then type msconfig.
Select the boot tab and check noguiboot.

Dunno if this will work for you but just found it out and though it would be worth a try.
Yeah, I read about that but I think it still causes the same problem. It's just that the boot logo doesn't show. The resolution still changes:

"...looks like it scrapped the windows logo, but still seems to put the monitor into a 1024x768 or higher blank black screen."
 

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Assuming you have an ati card, install atom-15 and set it to 31k.

Also if you haven't already, install emudriver and when you you get to the part where you run vmmaker set it to 31k.

Now you can also run groovymame and play all the driving games in perfect resolution too. For 15k games like the OG outrun turn on groovymame scanlines.

It's an NVidea card so unfortunately I can't use that. Worth a look if I do change the card at some point. Thanks.
 

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What Outrun 2 are you running? and what is Tekno Parrot, Nephew was on about it so thought it was emulator for Android or something

It's a shame we can't just get proper 29" SVGA screens for them that also cover 15khz as well, always have issues when any windows boots up and it not displaying some of the screens right when booting on arcade monitors
 

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What Outrun 2 are you running? and what is Tekno Parrot, Nephew was on about it so thought it was emulator for Android or something

It's a shame we can't just get proper 29" SVGA screens for them that also cover 15khz as well, always have issues when any windows boots up and it not displaying some of the screens right when booting on arcade monitors
I'm running this OutRun 2 SP SDX: https://teknogods.github.io/compatibility/or2spdlx.htm

Originally for the Sega Lindbergh Yellow

More info on Tekno Parrot here: https://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/TeknoParrot

It's technically not emulation as the Lindbergh was a PC based system. According to the wiki, its a compatibility layer.

Yeah, the 29 inch VGA monitors are a bit limited when it comes to displaying other resolutions and I guess normal use CRTs were used at home and the office that did have all of those resolutions, never needed to be 29 inches.
 

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I've come up with a work around for now.
The PC is currently powered separately to the cab, so I can turn on the PC, then wait 10 seconds or so and then turn the cab on and its already skipped that bit were it uses another resolution and is set to 640x480.

Saves causing an issue with the monitor while I'm testing this machine.

When the PC is powered by the cab wiring, I could get some kind of delay circuit that sits between the power and the monitor so it takes an extra 10 seconds for the monitor to power up. If such a thing exists.
 

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Hi,
Maybe you can consider a hardware solution like the VideoAmp that the french guys njz3 and Bandicoot make. It forces the PC resolution via EDID, no matter the brand of your card, with no special driver, and filters all unwanted frequencies to protect your chassis
 

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I'm running this OutRun 2 SP SDX: https://teknogods.github.io/compatibility/or2spdlx.htm

Originally for the Sega Lindbergh Yellow

More info on Tekno Parrot here: https://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/TeknoParrot

It's technically not emulation as the Lindbergh was a PC based system. According to the wiki, its a compatibility layer.

Yeah, the 29 inch VGA monitors are a bit limited when it comes to displaying other resolutions and I guess normal use CRTs were used at home and the office that did have all of those resolutions, never needed to be 29 inches.
(y) been testing it out, the PC i'm using here is only old Gigabyte board with AMD Athlon X2 240 which is low wattage CPU as I used to have it on quite a lot, ATI Radeon HD5450 so I've been testing some of these later games out, most work some don't like getting Chase HQ 2 through the control setup but this Teknoparrot works much better as analogue setup is easy so got Outrun 2 and Wacky Races working lovely, so I tried on this HP PC i have spare, Intel I5 3.2ghz with Nvidia Quadro 400 but half the games that work on this don't work on that, Outrun 2 starts loading then just goes off, not sure if it's PC or the Windows 10, mine has Win 7 on after 2 hard drives failed on me and haven't got round to rebuilding, see you say your running Win 10 but I can't stand using it so might try rebuilding the HP with Win 7 for my Nephew as he wants to play Outrun 2 and Wacky races, he'll love all the others stuff too but there 2 of his favs now so gotta get him setup as he don't have PC just laptop
 

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YES if you get a nice TP setup saves all the hassle of setting it up yourself. I'll check if mine has racers in as was mostly fighting and shooters when looked at it a while ago !!
 

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(y) been testing it out, the PC i'm using here is only old Gigabyte board with AMD Athlon X2 240 which is low wattage CPU as I used to have it on quite a lot, ATI Radeon HD5450 so I've been testing some of these later games out, most work some don't like getting Chase HQ 2 through the control setup but this Teknoparrot works much better as analogue setup is easy so got Outrun 2 and Wacky Races working lovely, so I tried on this HP PC i have spare, Intel I5 3.2ghz with Nvidia Quadro 400 but half the games that work on this don't work on that, Outrun 2 starts loading then just goes off, not sure if it's PC or the Windows 10, mine has Win 7 on after 2 hard drives failed on me and haven't got round to rebuilding, see you say your running Win 10 but I can't stand using it so might try rebuilding the HP with Win 7 for my Nephew as he wants to play Outrun 2 and Wacky races, he'll love all the others stuff too but there 2 of his favs now so gotta get him setup as he don't have PC just laptop
I'm using an older version of TP, but I suspect the newer ones have more compatibility.
I remember when I was speccing a low powered machine for this task, that it does work better with NVidea cards. I don't know if that is still the case.

Also when I was trying this out, it would only work with Windows 10. In fact, because of that, this was the first Windows 10 machine that I had in the house (I use Mac normally for non Arcade related tasks :) ).

I did have an issue where it would just crash for no reason and give me a generic memory error message or something like that. When I looked at Event Viewer in Windows, it gave me a clue what was wrong. It was moaning about the audio driver that it couldn't load as the motherboard that I have doesn't have a a driver for Windows 10. So I bought a cheap PCI sound card that was compatible with Windows 10. When I installed that everything worked ok with TP. So I would check event viewer. I suspect that they don't put enough logging in TP to cover all failure scenarios.
 

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One thing you might want to try is manually setting the screen resolution in Windows before shutting down or hibernating the PC. To do this, right-click on your desktop, go to Display Settings, and choose a resolution that you know your monitor can handle (like 640x480). Then, restart or hibernate the PC.
 
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