Any Hyper-milers on here with newish Petrol cars

[Bods]

Just wondered if anyone here sad like me on getting high MPG's I'd like to know some real world figures of modern cars/small SUV ideally as it's alright people saying I get this figure but are they driving it to max potential, many think they drive economically but many probably aren't and complain it doesn't do well

I'm talking more on Long Trips on Motorway, obviously some mixed driving on A roads and some town driving on same tank, I don't just hop on motorway and drive to see what I can get, just when I've doing trips like the other week, down to wales and back and then up to leeds and back, stopping for breakfast, stuck in rush hour traffic getting to other side of city centre so not all perfect conditions and had passenger in on that trip, she's not that heavy so I let her come along

I'm not really interested in Diesel but you can put some figures on if you want, not a problem

My brother always has an excuse when I tell him what I get from an old vehicle as he loves everything new and new is better, we have a debate about Speakers that needs settling some time with a test 1979 Celestion Against his New Polk, even that's not fair because the price of mine in 1979 would equal probably 3 Grand ones now and his were only £1000 but lots of stuff is cheaper now coz its all made in China and mine were made in Britain when it was Grea. This time was no exception because mine is older it doesn't weight as much as modern ones, funny considering its like 1200kg area some new sub compact SUV are same yet slightly bigger and hasn't technology moved on so surely these 15-20 year plus newer ones should be better aerodynamics etc for improved economy

It's all good fun

 

[TheDaddy]

Sorry dude just brought electric !! Picked her up Saturday. My 2019 peugeot 3008 did 50mpg but it was diesel, 60mpg on motorway. The crappy 12cc engine 3008 struggles to 40mpg , or so they told me when i got mine.

I have been giving petrol stations the finger as i have been going past as laughing. £78 to fill that thing up.

Dave.

 

[kingtreelo]

Sorry dude just brought electric !! Picked her up Saturday. My 2019 peugeot 3008 did 50mpg but it was diesel, 60mpg on motorway. The crappy 12cc engine 3008 struggles to 40mpg , or so they told me when i got mine.

I have been giving petrol stations the finger as i have been going past as laughing. £78 to fill that thing up.

Dave.

Let us know how you get on with that, everyone and i mean EVERYONE i have spoken to with an electric has said they are dreadful unless you are doing short journeys. I think its the "stop at a charging station for 50 minutes" when you can stick petrol in your car in about 5 minutes. Its a massive turn off for me that. Time is money and all that

 

[Bods]

Sorry dude just brought electric !! Picked her up Saturday. My 2019 peugeot 3008 did 50mpg but it was diesel, 60mpg on motorway. The crappy 12cc engine 3008 struggles to 40mpg , or so they told me when i got mine.

I have been giving petrol stations the finger as i have been going past as laughing. £78 to fill that thing up.

Dave.

I thought you were joking as usual, but read it a few times and thought I don't think he is this time

 

[TheDaddy]

No joke , for a change ! Lol.

I will do a bit of a write up tomoz on my Electric tomoz if you like ?? Dont want to spam this thread !

Dave.

 

[Bods]

Peugeot 3008 weight starts at 1320 so bit heaver but lowest in mine is 1190kg but that's 3dr they go up to 1250kg area depending on engine, some didn't have 4 wheel drive but I took the prop and rear diff etc off at the mo, probably weighs a bit less now with all the rust too

No wonder you haven't got much money for that Ridge Racer cab

The thing is you need to factor in on newer cars is Depreciation and on EV how much more will you loose, do you save anything over the time you have the car. to be honest the Closest I would get to Electric would be Mk1 Honda Insight or Honda CRZ

Be interested to hear what it's costing in the EV though

550 miles I got from my 1.5 Petrol SUV 24 years old and 26 year old engine in it which I was impressed with, best I got before that was 525 when I did two trips up north and seen couple of vaccers

 

[John Bennett]

I guess 'not me' would be the short answer, I only drive 7 miles to work and that's soon to be about 3, so I might even run it occasionally.

Aaanyway, my trusty 21 year old Golf 90bhp TDi diesel (now with a workmate) did 55mpg around the doors and at least 65mpg on long journeys (when doing 60mph and sitting behind lorries - there was no point in booting it as it was a fun-free zone). It's a fairly simple equation, light car and low power engine = economy.
But I got bored after 10 years and moved it on.

Nothing else we have had gets anywhere near that, diesel, petrol or hybrid so no point putting the figures up 🤪. They're all much more fun to drive though.

 

[Vorbis]

I've had an electric car for 5 years. I would never go back to petrol. Instant power is addictive. Picked up a new Q8 etron recently. 200 miles range in the depths of winter with heaters blasting and 300 achievable in more clement weather. Thing is f*&king awesome and the fact that the taxman is picking up half the tab makes me smile every day

 

[Bods]

I guess 'not me' would be the short answer, I only drive 7 miles to work and that's soon to be about 3, so I might even run it occasionally.

Aaanyway, my trusty 21 year old Golf 90bhp TDi diesel (now with a workmate) did 55mpg around the doors and at least 65mpg on long journeys (when doing 60mph and sitting behind lorries - there was no point in booting it as it was a fun-free zone). It's a fairly simple equation, light car and low power engine = economy.
But I got bored after 10 years and moved it on.

Nothing else we have had gets anywhere near that, diesel, petrol or hybrid so no point putting the figures up 🤪. They're all much more fun to drive though.

Shame you didn't have the even less fun 1994 Golf Ecomatic 1.9d with Stop Start and 64 BHP as they pitched that against the Honda Civic VEI in a magazine, not sure the testers understood how the Civic worked though and hardly a fair test being Diesel Stop Start vs Petrol . I really wanted one of those Civics to test myself, I really liked the 3dr 1992-95 EG model but that's petrol and according to honda brochure they claim 64mpg I think it was, that's when I found out they still continued with these Lean burn VTEC-E engines in the 1996 onwards with with 114 bhp over the original 89 bhp as there heavier car

That's the annoying part, I was using mine on 36 mile commute to work and just got it saving me more money when we get moved to another company again and they now make us take vans home so mine now hardly goes anywhere, might as well have dropped a 1.8L Twincam Vtec in it with 185 bhp

I reckon this engine in CRX you'd be well into the 60 mpg figures. I've seen some of the Insight mk1 drivers saying 90+ mpg for petrol hybrid, shame only 2 seats and I can't fit arcade cabs in that though

 

[Bods]

I hadn't seen this before

 

[adammoogle]

For what it's worth, I've got a 23 plate Ford Galaxy with their newish Hybrid Petrol engine in it. 2.5L usually lugging 4 or 5 kids around and the buggy.

It's not great on short journeys in the cold. Does about 40mpg even with the electric motor kicking in. Short motorway or A road journeys (always moving, doing 40/50 mph) it gets about 50mpg. The electric motor kicks in and you cruise along nicely.

Longer journeys it does OK. Same principle as above, if you've got some speed and momentum and lift your foot off the accelerator the electric motor kicks in and you cruise along happily between 50 and 70mph. Depending on the journey and conditions, between 45/50mpg usually.

I'm averaging 600 miles to a full tank so not bad. Costs about £85 to fill up from empty.

That engine in a smaller car would be nice I'm guessing. It's pretty quick when you put your foot down. In a straight line at least.

 

[L_____E_____T]

I had a friend with a Prius was putting only £20 in a week for a weekday commute. That's pretty incredible.

 

[TheDaddy]

Ok so this is my take on Electric , Reasons why I did , Is it saving me ect ???

***** PLEASE NOTE THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION , YOU MAY HAVE YOU OWN VIEWS AND THATS FINE !!! *****

Based on my Peugeot 3008 (2019) 1.5 Diesal.

So the main reason for me changing to electric was to basically save money , I will do some maths below to show what my car was costing me (I have averaged it out as difficult to get exact. I have just rounded up to make it easier). I have had the car for over 2 years so its real world figures.

Approx. MPG (Per full tank around 500 Miles) = 50mpg (Pretty much this every time)
My Miles per week = 250 And per year = 13000
Cost to fill Per week = £40 And per Year = £2080

Tax = £185

NOT :- Cost to run per year (Not including MOT / Service / finance , Not listing these as no matter what the car you have to pay)

Total cost per year £2265

So my car kept breaking down and cost around £6500 to fix 5 months after I purchased it , I was prety pissed off with this as the garage had my car for months ( I wont go into what , why where and when as its not relevant !). The only good thing was that they were borrowing me a car why they had mine and I kept getting Petrol cars (Kia) with tiny engines and was costing me more to fuel than my diesel (Did not look at MPG ect on this). At one pointg the car they had borrowed me they had sold and they only had electric. I was not happy about this as at the time I had never drove one and had no clue how good / crap they were, We also have a charger at work and I was allowed to charge for Freeeeeeeeee ! Always a bonus , More on that later. So anyway they borrowed me a Kia Niro 64kwh and i was very very impressed with the overall drive of it. The car its self was a little crap as it was a basic model. After a couple of weeks I was getting around 300 miles out of this thing (All AC & Heat was off and it had no heated seats ect , Although seats are powered by the 12v battery anyway). The 300 was way over what I was expecting and way over what they say it will do. Anyway I got my own car back and continued to run it.

After another 12 months of chucking money at Petrol stations and getting well peed off with giving them nearly £160 a month I decieded to start and look at cars again. I had already prety much made my mind up on Electric before hand as the saving alone is a no brainer. Other things you MUST consider are :-

1) Cost of charger & fitting at home (Average of £800)
2) How many miles will you be doing ?? - I do around 50 or so (I only work 4 days a week and that where my distance come from)
3) Do you travel long distances to work ?? - As above I dont , This allows me to charge at home / work & not have to stop.
4) Do you travel long distances for holidays ect ?? Again I don't so I don't have to keep stopping to charge. But if I did it would be once in a blue moon and you get get fully charged now a days in around an hour ! For others this may be a put off , If you are traveling 100's of miles and having to stop all the time but some people are different , My boss has a Porsche Electric and goes london all the time , He enjoys stopping and getting a coffee ect while his car charges (Also does not worry about cost to fuel either !)
5) What car ?? I based this of how many miles the car will do & warranty.
6) Costs of charging ?? Well I can charge my car for FREE at work !!! So thats a massive plus for me , I will show some charging prices below.

So after considering the above I decided to go for the Kia E-Niro 64kwh 4+ (This has all the whistles and bells !). Quick look at charging costs below :-

**** A quick extra bonus is that you get cheaper tariff at night with Octopus (And others but they seem to be cheaper) so should bring your electric bill down ! ****

So at the moment ( And I have not had the car for long ) I am currently getting around 250 per charge (I have AC Heating on to 21 degrees and also seats ect) and am getting approx 4.5 Mi/kWh (This is an approx as its up and down and not done enough miles to get this spot on !) Some sums here :-

So if you are getting 4.5 Mi/KwH ( Miles per Kilowatt hour ) the sum is roughly Battery Size x Mi/KwH = Approx miles so thats :-

64 x 4.5 = 288 - So this is ( And its an APPROX do not shout at me ! ) about what you should be getting.

Charging costs can vary from place to place and also depends how fast the charger are , to calulate its Battery Size X Price per KW examples are :-

*** Worth noting your car will never fully discharge and will never fully charge so these are again examples ***

During the night on a 6p Per KW tariff = 64 (Octopus) x 0.06 = £3.84 for full charge.
During the night on a 9p Per KW tariff (EDF) = 64 x 0.09 = £5.76 for a full charge.

During the day on a 29p Per KW Tariff = 64 x 0.29 = £18.56

At A Slow public charging point 49p Per KW = 64 x 0.49 = £31.36

At A Fast public charger point 79p Per KW = 64 x 0.79 = £50.56

At Work For Me (7.4kw) @ 0.00 Per KW = 64 x 0.00 = £ FREEEEEEEE

So in a nut shell it does depend on where you can charge , As you can see if I was to charge at a fast point every time it would cost more than my Diesel and I would not have had electric. Charging times can also vary , In my case if the car was empty then the calculation is Battery size Divided by kw charger (Home chargers are 7.4kw but are actually around 7kw) :-

64 / 7.4 = 8.64 Hours

You can use this rule as long as you know the KW of the charger you have plugged in.

So I said above I can actually charge my car at work for FREE so its going to be very rare for me to have to put my hand in my pocket !!!! So this makes the saving for me massive as I will save over £2000 a year myself. But lets do a quick comparison below of Diesel / Petrol costs vs Electric ( Again based one around £1.50 per litre ) Also will base on 250 miles (My Average week)

Cheaper night tariff charging (Home) :-

My Old Car to fill 1/2 tank = £39 - Giving me approx 250 Miles
My New car = £3.84

Saving = £35.16

Day Tariff charging (Home) :-

My Old Car to fill 1/2 tank = £39 - Giving me approx 250 Miles
My New Car = £18.65

Saving = £20.35

And so on .................. Sure you can calculate the rest.

Oh only thing I missed is a myth , People say Insurance is higher on electric , Thats bull for me its the same price as my Pug ! Oh and if you drive like a TW@ you will get less miles out of a full charge ! lol

So for me its a no brainer , The Electric cars drive so so much better (IMO) and have better BHP, Also power is instant , Less things to go wrong engine wise (Just a motor not as many moving parts). And the savings speak for themselves !!!!!

So there you have it , Sorry it was long but I hope people will read / understand and its help a few people. I am not great at writing things up so be kind when commenting.

Dave.

P.S Lots of stuff not added as If i make this any longer I fear I may be band from the group ! lol

 

[Bods]

That's interesting Dave and yes for some people EV can work but as you point out if you use public chargers its not cheaper

I was going to ask about Insurance cost as I hear the same but then there are many getting renewal quotes like lad on training course other week with Audi S3, was paying about £2,500 and renewal was 8 grand

What I consider Running Cost of car is everything, Depreciation, Repairs, Fuel/Charging, Tax, Insurance and that's where things can change, yes you get to drive a new vehicle and don't have to worry about repairs for a while hopefully but loosing say £1000 a year on depreciation annoys me, downside of running older car is keeping on top of the maintenance but again it depends what car you buy, as you found you can end up paying out a fortune in repairs, the story's from my local garage every time I take mine for MOT is crackers, repair bills costing £1000's, my mates wife had Meriva and they had common fault of Camshaft coming loose and it cost them £1600 in repairs, they wouldn't admit to it being issue with them but they paid half, then it had knocking noise a year or 2 after so he sold it cheap, the guy that bought it said timing chain was stretched, worst he's ever seen, bloody car only done 50k why they got a timing chain that doesn't even last as long as a belt, 100k before mine needs changing, It's like they've made them cost more to repair on purpose

The have VW Sharan diesel, why when they don't do many miles and cost £800 when clutch went so what you save in diesel can be gone in one repair

I had to replace clutch in my CRX at 98k not because it was worn out yet, because I fooked it probably when I kept dropping it down to 3rd at 60 and damaged the damper springs and holders I found when removed it, the Civic engine in my HRV had done 91k and clutch was about on limit but if driven well and more motorway miles you should get 200k from clutch easy, the HRV one 92k and only worn about a quarter so left that one in

was saying to my dad about how much I've spent on my 2 cars in last 10+ years engine wise which is where they say you save on EV, well were talking less than £300 on both, timing belt when engine was out, oil, filters, plugs, dizzy etc as I'm not including £150 on clutch as that was my fault. where I've spent more money is broken springs, discs, pads, gators, suspension bushes etc and EV still have all that if people buy old ones when they reach the age

If you take Mary's Suzuki, she doesn't use it much, It was on 19k miles when we got it, £1200 paid, never let her down, 28k miles now and 23 years old, had set of tyres not because worn out but old and cracking, has original exhaust which looks amazing still, shamefully I never got around to changing oil, filter till last year, so its had 2 air filters and one oil change and filter, 2 batteries because it didn't get used and gone flat and its game over if you do that, it's parked on main road and discs rust up so I put new discs and pads on front and thats it in 13 years and it's still never failed an MOT once, you can't get cheaper motoring than that and they best part, it's now been wrote off 3 times and I've repaired it, she's had back nearly double what we paid for the car from insurance

I respect it's everyone's decision on what they choose, just my opinion and I was just curious if Petrol cars really have improved on economy since 80/90's

 

[TheDaddy]

Jeese that insurance quote is silly !!!! Mine was £280 a year for the Peugeot it then all went up so it actually £440 now. The Kia is exactly the same @ £440. I did look at Jag I-Pace but again its impractical as the insurance on that is close to double (£740) and does half the miles on double the charge !!

One thing you pointed out is Tax , Tax on Pug was £185 and the Niro is free. The question is how long will it be free for ?? When they bring new tax rules in there is a chance we will need to pay. But I see it as it cant be much more than £185 so not to fussed on that. Obviously prefer not to pay any tax but it is what it is. My only confusion on this is how are they going to do it ?? Can they make you pay tax on a car that has no tax at the minute ?? I know my old Insignia was free tax (2014) and even when tax on others were going up they could not increase a 0% tax vehicle so will they be able to on Electric they have said don't need to pay ?? I don't know the answer to that to be fair.

Also depreciation , Dont start me on that ! lol. My Pug was £18000 and less that 2 years on they wanted to give me £8000. I managed to get them up to £10000 so i lost £8000 plus the the work I had done ( Was £6500 but £4500 was on warranty that i luckily took out ). Obviously this made me think when I was swapping it as I didnt really factor the loss in. I just could not stand throwing £160 a month in the tank anymore & warranty was running out on pug.

The Kia I have purchased is just 3 years old so I have another 4 years warranty , This also includes 100000 mile battery warranty. Another reason I went for the Kia. I will say I am very impressed with the kia , When they first started they were shocking quality but they are 1000 times better now.

An option for you to get electric ???

Dave.

 

[John Bennett]

I respect it's everyone's decision on what they choose, just my opinion and I was just curious if Petrol cars really have improved on economy since 80/90's

I'd imagine they have, a little bit - tweaks here and there to optimise things at the expense of added complexity or reducing lifespan (see wet timing belts, direct fuel injection and stop/start for pro's and cons...).
The problem is you won't see it as cars generally weigh a lot more than they used to and they're usually turbocharged, so you're accelerating harder than you would've been in your N/A 1.6 in the 1990's - you probably need to anyway, people don't half go for it on roundabouts these days 😬.
And when you do get something like the GR-4 that weighs the same as a crisp packet, it's highly tuned, so not exactly economic.

As a hybrid driver, I really don't think the hybrid part alone buys you significantly better MPG - there's hardly anything to recuperate during normal driving, and the last thing you want is the hybrid system dragging on the engine to charge the battery up. A plug-in is different as you get a smaller engine with a nice performance booster that's a bit like the turbos on Chase HQ (but more than 3 ). I guess many can also get to work on if it's a short journey too. The complexity is frightening though - there's a lot to go wrong plus a lot of cars (hybrid or otherwise) do seem to have a disposable feel to them nowadays.

I've nothing against full electric, I still fancy a Honda E (but the drive way is full), I'm just fortunate I don't drive a lot so I can go with what cars excite me, rather than worry about the financials of long commutes. Plus cars are my other hobby, so I can live with a grand or two extra a year in fuel if it makes me smile more (which is often quirkiness and rareness rather than just performance).

@TheDaddy - I know you didn't want to go into details, but please tell me it was a dead engine for that sort of money (as a Peugeot owner, I've noticed dealer prices for parts and repairs are utterly stupid).

 

[SIE]

Gone electric as well very recently. Picked up a Honda e NY1 on a crazy PCP deal. Nothing up front and £179 a month for 2 years then just give it back. Full charge is £5.10 at night to charge for 240 miles on octopus. Pays for itself, no tax, MOT or worries for 2 years. Only use it to commute to work and local journeys. Wife still has an old diesel for long journeys when we rarely need it. It's a no brainer and as you say, better bhp and the toys are incredible inside with huge entertainment screen and features like remote defrost and geo fencing. I don't use public chargers but they are there if I need them. My 69 plate diesel Qashqai is up for sale which does up to around 70mpg but is no competition to the leccy.

 

[Ronnie Dent]

Our passat 2.0 tdi 177ps gets around 550 miles to the tank which is around £90 and it's not driven with miss Daisy in mind! Would never buy petrol

 

[channel27]

Gone electric as well very recently. Picked up a Honda e NY1 on a crazy PCP deal. Nothing up front and £179 a month for 2 years then just give it back. Full charge is £5.10 at night to charge for 240 miles on octopus. Pays for itself, no tax, MOT or worries for 2 years. Only use it to commute to work and local journeys. Wife still has an old diesel for long journeys when we rarely need it. It's a no brainer and as you say, better bhp and the toys are incredible inside with huge entertainment screen and features like remote defrost and geo fencing. I don't use public chargers but they are there if I need them. My 69 plate diesel Qashqai is up for sale which does up to around 70mpg but is no competition to the leccy.

That's deal's incredible. Where was it from?

 

[SIE]

That's deal's incredible. Where was it from?

Honda in Cannock.