Aircon, barely anything. Heating loads
Looking at buying a new car
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I genuinely like the idea of it ... but often the implementation lacks somewhat.
Either way, there are a load of UK cities with LEZ/ULEZ setups.
Either way, there are a load of UK cities with LEZ/ULEZ setups.
There are only a few good technical reasons as to why classics are exempt, but those are good reasons. Either way, they aren't the reasons why classics are excempt from so much stuff. That's the rich old peers in the house of lords setting things up so they can drive their nice old rollers and be able to pass down a relatively depreciation free ferrarri without inheritance tax requirements etc ...
My car, 18 month old Q8 Etron will do 280 in the summer with aircon on, a bit more with careful driving.
This time of year it's closer to 200-220 with heating and heated seats on.
Outside temperature also effects the battery I believe.
Still plenty for what I need
This time of year it's closer to 200-220 with heating and heated seats on.
Outside temperature also effects the battery I believe.
Still plenty for what I need
By the time an EV battery has expired or reduces to the point range is so low it's unusable(baring catastrophic failure which is extremely rare despite what some press might have you believe), you'll probably have replaced most working parts in a petrol car and they'll both be worth pretty much fuck all. My first ev was an i3, and after close to 150k miles range was still about 85-90% of what could have been expected at the start. After 18 months there's no noticeable reduction in range on my Q8.
John Bennett
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That's a lot of money for a wet belt change 😲.
One thing to watch for is if the new price is over 40k and it's not an EV, you get a whopping luxury car road tax bill until it's over six years old.
I love my Peugeot 508 PSE and a used one has probably devalued into that price range now, but it's a bit fragile and silly for general use.
One thing to watch for is if the new price is over 40k and it's not an EV, you get a whopping luxury car road tax bill until it's over six years old.
I love my Peugeot 508 PSE and a used one has probably devalued into that price range now, but it's a bit fragile and silly for general use.
Last year I had the timing belt done on a 1L EcoBoost B-Max and it cost £1400 including the timing belt, water pump and a service. A former Ford dealer quoted £1800 another garage quoted £2200! I'm now looking at getting a new catalytic converter because it has flagged up check engine warning light and error P0420 - Catalyst Performance Below Threshold. Just rolled over 80000 miles, passed MOT last month. I don't know how much that will cost.
If I was looking for a new one I'd get a Dacia Sandero.
If I was looking for a new one I'd get a Dacia Sandero.
Meanwhile, I had a bunch of electrics sorted, my rear windshield resealed, and my gear linkage overhauled for around a grand on a '79 Porsche 928.
That said ... I'm getting a whole ton more sorted (no air-con, though ... pshh) which will likely cost a fair bit more.
But, still, for less than the price of a belt change on the aforementioned modern car (and despite requiring more specialist attention) I got at least three (actually more) jobs handled really rather swiftly.
It is not all roses, mind ... I had to travel far for the servicing I'm getting ... plus a lot of jobs really CAN be done by oneself ... but ... yeah ... sorry ... it's late ... and I'm fading
That said ... I'm getting a whole ton more sorted (no air-con, though ... pshh) which will likely cost a fair bit more.
But, still, for less than the price of a belt change on the aforementioned modern car (and despite requiring more specialist attention) I got at least three (actually more) jobs handled really rather swiftly.
It is not all roses, mind ... I had to travel far for the servicing I'm getting ... plus a lot of jobs really CAN be done by oneself ... but ... yeah ... sorry ... it's late ... and I'm fading
It’s absolute baloney! Yes it uses some up but not 50 miles. You do get better mileage with an EV in the warmer months. Mine does around 200 on a full charge in the warmer months. At the moment it’s been cold and I’m getting around 165.
Tax, it’s free at the moment, going up in April but if you tax it next month you will get another year for free.
Insurance, mine went up around 100 quid. I had a Mazda cx5 and then I bought a brand new MG ZS EV.
Servicing, miles cheaper. It’s cost me for 5 years that it cost me for 3 with the Mazda. I have a service plan and pay 20 a month which includes the cars first 3 mots.
Running costs is where it’s a huge saving if you can charge at home or get it free with work. I only charge mine through the night when I pay 5p an hour for 5 hours so 25p a charge over 5 times a week. Thats less than 100 quid for the year. I run mine on the granny charger so didnt even need a charger installed.
ill never go back to a petrol ever again
my mate at work has a 2017 Leaf and it’s battery health is still 92%. The car will be long gone before the battery does.
Mine has dropped more, but I do like to be toasty warm, I've also been doing a lot more motorway driving over the last few months so that's a factor in the range as well.
Driving style, speed, heating all impact range but I'd never go back to petrol.
John Bennett
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To be fair, I've seen wet belt change prices of around £600 for the 1.2 Stellantis Purecrap engine (I guess the Ford Ecoboom is more involved)* and a specialist will charge you about that for your V8.
I did 'bangernomics' for 20 years as I never had to commute far. Did all work myself. With the nice car (180sx), parts became harder and harder to get as others were scrapped and the dealer stopped doing them, so it became a weekend car, rather than wearing it out totally (plus used prices went up 10-100x so I couldn't get another one for bits).
So in parallel, from 2014 onwards I kept a 2004 Golf going until 2023, until I sold it on (still going, new owner loves it), I just got weary of working on a fairly boring car rather than the 180sx (and the tasks got bigger as it got older - subframes off, welding stuff etc). I then wondered why I was scrimping so much as I wasn't particularly short of cash, and some new cars caught my eye (508, Giulia, Honda-E), so it was time to move on and treat myself. As I watched it drive off, I thought 'I'll miss it'. Then I noticed the smell of oil and realised I wouldn't. So I agree it can be cheaper motoring, but it's not for everyone.
I will say I do miss being able to park anywhere without worrying about dents and being able to drive up kerbs or over potholes without destroying expensive tyres and diamond-cut alloys. Plus if the 508 fails in a bad way, it's going to be a nightmare to do myself, so I am kinda tied to extended warranties.
*not my nicknames, there's a lot of upset owners out there
John Bennett
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With my hybrid, the predicted electric range drops from 22 miles to about 13 in winter. I never run it empty and I doubt it's as bad as that, but it's more down to battery chemistry rather than powering ancillaries.
Insurance is still fairly performance related. A Tesla that does 0-60 in 3.5 seconds is the same insurance group as a Ferrari, which is kinda understandable.
I am very tempted to change the main car (S-max diesel) to an ID-Buzz EV, as it's already murdered one DPF with short journeys and is another wet belt engine that's running rough. I don't think I'd even need more than a 13A mains trickle charger for home, with the Mon-Thu commute for my wife being 5 miles each way.
it's just that once-a-year holiday to the remote Scottish cottage that's putting me off (I guess I could call them to ask if they mind me trickle charging it out a window for most of the week).
Insurance is still fairly performance related. A Tesla that does 0-60 in 3.5 seconds is the same insurance group as a Ferrari, which is kinda understandable.
I am very tempted to change the main car (S-max diesel) to an ID-Buzz EV, as it's already murdered one DPF with short journeys and is another wet belt engine that's running rough. I don't think I'd even need more than a 13A mains trickle charger for home, with the Mon-Thu commute for my wife being 5 miles each way.
it's just that once-a-year holiday to the remote Scottish cottage that's putting me off (I guess I could call them to ask if they mind me trickle charging it out a window for most of the week).
What do you mean by top spec?
Mines got loads of stuff on it, a lot of safety features as well.
It's got an app where you can control your battery charging and you can pre heat the car from it as well as track where it is at all times. I get a txt message every time someone starts it up etc.
Too many extras to mention tbh
I've got a Q8 Etron 55 black edition. Pretty much top spec I suppose.
My car has a rear electric sun blind on the back window, 17 speaker Mark Levinson sound system, heated & cooled ventilated seats, blind spot, electric steering column, plush red leather interior, rear cam + loads more of the usual & only the mid range model.
Where by the sister in laws e tron had none of that even though it was at least 10 years newer just seamed like you were paying for the ev stuff & got a basic car they have a Tesla now & the seats in it look like they came from a Fiesta but it makes "fart" sounds.
Are we looking at paying twice just to get some mod cons?
Where by the sister in laws e tron had none of that even though it was at least 10 years newer just seamed like you were paying for the ev stuff & got a basic car they have a Tesla now & the seats in it look like they came from a Fiesta but it makes "fart" sounds.
Are we looking at paying twice just to get some mod cons?
I've been driving an EV Vivaro since about June last year.
Quoted range on a full charge showed as 143, after 8.5k miles it's now 135.
On a cold morning, cleaning frost from the windows only takes a couple of minutes but sucks 4-6 miles off the range.
Motorway driving with the heater on in cold weather, I'm lucky to get 80 miles range and have sometimes had to turn off heater to get to next charger.
Charging at fast chargers is expensive, 70p-80p per Kwh. Then there's times when I've had to wait for someone to finish Charging as they were all occupied. And some chargers with 2 leads will distribute the power between both rather than get full wack on one lead.
Slow chargers generally charge at 12-25 miles per hour, so an hour to get 12-25 mile range! whilst fast ones charge at 150-300 miles range per hour depending on battery level. Full wack up to 30%, reduced up to 80%, then about 50 miles per hour range 80%-100%.
Plus sides is that it's nippy, good around town, quiet and comfortable to drive being an automatic.
If the range was 300 miles at worst case scenario then it would be great, but running around with range anxiety like you got an eighth of a tank all the time isn't for everyone.
I've done 120+ mile trips and if you dont mind stopping at services along the way then it's not too bad. I don't have to pay for van use or mileage as I'm in a trial, but if I was paying then it would be completely uneconomical doing long journeys.
Quoted range on a full charge showed as 143, after 8.5k miles it's now 135.
On a cold morning, cleaning frost from the windows only takes a couple of minutes but sucks 4-6 miles off the range.
Motorway driving with the heater on in cold weather, I'm lucky to get 80 miles range and have sometimes had to turn off heater to get to next charger.
Charging at fast chargers is expensive, 70p-80p per Kwh. Then there's times when I've had to wait for someone to finish Charging as they were all occupied. And some chargers with 2 leads will distribute the power between both rather than get full wack on one lead.
Slow chargers generally charge at 12-25 miles per hour, so an hour to get 12-25 mile range! whilst fast ones charge at 150-300 miles range per hour depending on battery level. Full wack up to 30%, reduced up to 80%, then about 50 miles per hour range 80%-100%.
Plus sides is that it's nippy, good around town, quiet and comfortable to drive being an automatic.
If the range was 300 miles at worst case scenario then it would be great, but running around with range anxiety like you got an eighth of a tank all the time isn't for everyone.
I've done 120+ mile trips and if you dont mind stopping at services along the way then it's not too bad. I don't have to pay for van use or mileage as I'm in a trial, but if I was paying then it would be completely uneconomical doing long journeys.
I live in a terrace so home charging would be a issue for now I posted this video last week in regard to something being delivered is there any solution for me going ev? my space is the empty one so would have to put the lead across the pavement.
John Bennett
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As well as massage seats and other guff I don’t use, my hybrid has night vision so I can see who's running a drugs factory.
It’s the most pointless yet brilliant feature.
