Flyback2021
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Disappointing news and a significant delay but will stick with my pre-order bundle which I paid upfront for now.
AES+ - what games are you getting?
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There is a bit of a whiff about all this - wasn't the original delivery date in the next month or so? And no pictures of maybe thousands of finished cases or packaging or controllers or *some* progress in the meantime?! Yet they have suddenly discovered they have to delay a whole year because of the chip situation? That's just the chips - what about all the dozens of other pieces in the puzzle, This isn't NG Dev producing one new cart every five years this is a major company sitting on $millions of customers cash for now 18 months at least...
I'm not going to get angry over details that I'm completely guessing. Why's this always the default stance?
I actually sympathise. Previous products delivered well and this was set to be a huge hit. Now they're getting pounded with refund requests. This'll never generate the same hype next year. It's fucked 'em.
I've decided to request a refund as well. Can't afford to hold it after receiving redundancy a couple of weeks ago.
I actually sympathise. Previous products delivered well and this was set to be a huge hit. Now they're getting pounded with refund requests. This'll never generate the same hype next year. It's fucked 'em.
I've decided to request a refund as well. Can't afford to hold it after receiving redundancy a couple of weeks ago.
Personally I can wait another year, who needs a 30 year old games console urgently?
From what I've read the demand was huge even outselling playstation 5 on the week announced in some countries.
To get the manufacturing done at scale and to meet the cost, it could easily need to be booked in 6+ months in advance.
They now have more time for quality assurance and they can have wave 2 and 3 AES cartridges licensed and ready to go.
I still expect the price of the system to increase quite a bit, it seemed a bit low from the start considering what you are getting.
From what I've read the demand was huge even outselling playstation 5 on the week announced in some countries.
To get the manufacturing done at scale and to meet the cost, it could easily need to be booked in 6+ months in advance.
They now have more time for quality assurance and they can have wave 2 and 3 AES cartridges licensed and ready to go.
I still expect the price of the system to increase quite a bit, it seemed a bit low from the start considering what you are getting.
I think so too, so I'd have to pay more to reorder next year. I wouldn't have cancelled if it wasn't for x, y and z.
John Bennett
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If it's entirely true that it was ready to go and they've come a cropper due to manufacturing falling through, then I do sympathise too. It was obvious they had a massive challenge infront of them either way though. They'll need to get some through to production to be able to test them before release too.
But I've got to say, the misleading marketing properly got my back up, so that's eroded some sympathy.
When it does arrive, it'll sell. Even with pre-orders cancelled, enough people will still want one, regardless of exactly what's inside it, as it will hopefully look and play the part.
Reasonable take John.
I don't even have a condition. I just think they had a roadmap based on manufacturing partners that gradually went pear shaped until they had to come clean. I'm not sure about misleading marketing. Was it one of those classic 'not emulation' claims? That's kind of a semantic.
I don't even have a condition. I just think they had a roadmap based on manufacturing partners that gradually went pear shaped until they had to come clean. I'm not sure about misleading marketing. Was it one of those classic 'not emulation' claims? That's kind of a semantic.
John Bennett
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Well yes I am going to say FPGA/ASIC is definitely a form of emulation
. Whether it's re-engineered from sawing apart original chips or just black-box guessed, it's still emulation. But the 'no emulation' was more of an irritant you often see.What got me was that it was used in combination with lots of other contradictory terms to bamboozle people. There's honestly people out there who think they're getting a machine with a '1:1 replica' of the original PCB inside it, full of exact copies of Motorola, Yamaha, SNK custom chips.
They've no idea that what they're getting is actually far closer to MiSTer on a write-once FPGA, and they'll see it when people eventually open it up and it looks like one of those modern 'mini' consoles inside
I don't even know what a 'legacy ASIC' is supposed to mean.
Of course, what they're making is the only way you'd realistically do it. It's totally fine. They just weren't exactly straight-up with people. It does smack of salesmen saying what the engineers wouldn't dare.
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I probably need to just chill out. For some reason these days any delay or deviation from what is promised just makes me think I'm being mugged off, which is probably not the case. Grumpy old bastard springs to mind (well at least that's what I used to call my Dad 😂)
@John Bennett Fair enough. I must admit I think the marketing just washed over me and I hadn't really noticed because as you say, realistically of course it's going to be on a chip instead of one-to-one.
No-emulation is annoyingly incomplete shorthand. The word itself in it's english definition doesn't distinguish between software or papier-mache, but in common use I can see why marketing wants to distinguish from a software environment which comes with an OS layer, frame buffer, drivers, APIs.
When even experts in the field still debate over this (Jotego made the comparison to ASICs used in the Megadrive 2) I feel I'm safer staying out of it. Most of us here know roughly what's meant behind the buzzwords now, but yeah, many casual buyers wouldn't. I did think good info was provided for further reading though.
No-emulation is annoyingly incomplete shorthand. The word itself in it's english definition doesn't distinguish between software or papier-mache, but in common use I can see why marketing wants to distinguish from a software environment which comes with an OS layer, frame buffer, drivers, APIs.
When even experts in the field still debate over this (Jotego made the comparison to ASICs used in the Megadrive 2) I feel I'm safer staying out of it. Most of us here know roughly what's meant behind the buzzwords now, but yeah, many casual buyers wouldn't. I did think good info was provided for further reading though.
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We get older, time gets more precious and there are too many year waits these days. We don't have it to waste!
jerryspaghetti
Active member
Whatever anyone says a year (or 10.75 month) delay is a piss take from any serious company. To take people’s money and sit on it for 18 months is not really acceptable either.
I’ve had to cancel as the opportunity to reclaim nearly a grand in tied up money when I’m on the ropes financially is a no brainer.
If they do deliver on it I’ll be first in line to try again next year but it’s poor all round.
I’ve had to cancel as the opportunity to reclaim nearly a grand in tied up money when I’m on the ropes financially is a no brainer.
If they do deliver on it I’ll be first in line to try again next year but it’s poor all round.
John Bennett
Senior Member
I do sound like a grumpy old geek with the 'no emulation' term, but it's because it's usually wheeled out when someone is trying to flog something or make a bit of Patreon cash.
Whereas MAME and it's dirty inferior emulation was done entirely for free and without it, none of this hardware repro stuff would've been possible.
John Bennett
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Anyway, the Tokyo Game Show demo is in a couple of weeks isn't it?
They still seem confident they'll show a proto there, so that'll be interesting if they show the insides of it.
They still seem confident they'll show a proto there, so that'll be interesting if they show the insides of it.
battlechasers
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japanese stores had a standee recently hyping and promoting the rerelease. These are still in some of the stores like book off, so even though theres a delay, these displays are still in stores. Yes 8m pissed off their sitting on 800 quif of mine... plus interest.
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neo-geo-mvs
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How long does it take to get the refund? Cheers all 👍
Mine was next day, but that was before this delay. I expect a bit more of a wait as I’m sure there are lots of refunds going through