Anyone running a Dyson HOT?

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My hands are like those of a brass monkey today. Which has reminded me that I wasn't going to run the same oil filled radiator all winter like I have done for the last 8 or 9 years. I'm sure it's getting less and less efficient, which I guess it will with age and with the electric prices being so high it's becoming unaffordable.

So that brings me to the title of the topic. Anyone got one of the new Dyson heaters? I'm fairly convinced they're just going to be an overpriced gadget but it doesn't stop me being intrigued!!

I've done loads of searching ever since I first heard about them and I'm damned if I can find anywhere listing how many watts they consume which is a little odd as I was under the impression heaters and the like had to have it printed on them somewhere - though admittedly I may be imagining that
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Just wondering if anyone has one, does it have it's power consumption in either watts or amps, or something stamped on it anywhere?

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2 kW according to http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/dyson-am04-hot-fan-heater-11434100-pdt.html.

At the end of the day 2kW is 2kW, no matter how you produce it, although I would imagine that the method of delivery will be quicker to heat the space than an oil filled radiator.Slightly off topic, I am on my 2nd Dyson cyclone (the upright was too clumbersome for my Mrs), both of which are excellent pieces of engineering, really well put together and thought out.

Next time your down at the local recycling centre, have a look and see how many of the vacuum cleaners that have been tossed are Dysons - chances are none !

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Blimey, I wasn't able to find that anywhere!! Then again, I wouldn't think to try and buy something from Curry's
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Like you say, 2Kw's rather a lot! I'm quite sure it won't use that constantly but all the same.

@IDCHAPPY: Talking about my games room. Which also doubles as my office. I'm a software engineer and have worked from home for 12 years now. Come the winter when you're just sat at a desk, effectively just moving your fingers while thinking it get's bloody cold. Last year, it was unbearable even with my large oil filled radiator on about '2' all winter.

Building is 5m x 4m, all wood construction. Wooden frame with tongue and groove cladding on the outside. 75mm celotex in all walls and the roof, 50mm (IIRC) under the chipboard floor - which is in turn on top of a concrete base. Double door is entirely PVCu (or whatever it is), windows are double glazed PVCu.

In fairness when the sun comes out, the insulation does a cracking job and it get's quite nice in there. But how often do we really see the sun on a regular basis in the winter in this country! Also, as soon as you start doing something (working on machines for instance) you soon warm up. Problem is, you really need a heat source, without it, it get's down to about 4C inside pretty regularly when winter really sets in.

Should probably re-iterate, it's me I'm trying my best to keep warm, I don't really give a stuff about the machines
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guddler said:
In fairness when the sun comes out, the insulation does a cracking job and it get's quite nice in there. But how often do we really see the sun on a regular basis in the winter in this country!

Maybe I'm wrong but if it gets hot (quickly?) inside when the sun is out I would have thought the insultaion isn't doing such a good job. Hell, even my wooden engine shed gets warm in the winter with the sun shining on it
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Next time your down at the local recycling centre, have a look and see how many of the vacuum cleaners that have been tossed are Dysons - chances are none ! Â?
theres a 40' container at my local tip that's always over
Flowing with f**ked dysons.
 

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Get yourself a 2-3kw fan heater then, they come with thermostats and can get that amount of space pretty toasty
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I use one for my garage and it works pretty well
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I was about to say isn't that going to be really expensive? But then I just looked at the oil radiator that's next to me right now and actually, that's rated 2.8 to 3Kw. Didn't realise it was quite that thirsty!!

I might then, actually be tempted to try one of the Dyson's if that's 2Kw and in theory should shift a large amount of air and get up to temp really quick. Lot of money though!!
 

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it's an interesting question as to what's the more efficient. I got my oil filled radiator out this week for the first time. My garage is a single skinned brick thing but it's lined inside and has upvc double glazing. That said, the old wooden door needs replacing so that is a weak spot. I need to stop it getting too cold because I have some cockatiels who share 'the gamesroom'. Single figures isn't really OK for long periods. I'm concerned about another cold winter being in store and last year, running the radiator was really expensive.

What is the more efficient method? Given the amount of heat needed to warm the space to an equal temperature would be the same - a device that could deliver this heat more quickly, would that not just draw proportionally more power?

I was under the impression that an oil filled radiator is more efficient than a fan heater. Is this not the case?

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I don't know the science behind it, but in my simple mind, I'm thinking that an oil filled radiator is going to be a gradual all round warming up and a fan heater is going to be a more rapid and (key in my case) somewhat directional heat.

Like you say, theory goes that heat is heat - thus, watts is watts. But I have a feeling that this is where something like Dyson muddies the water which is why they've been very coy about pushing the 2KW about too much. Their idea is that it can shift a larger amount of air, directionally, thus heating up larger areas quicker whilst using less heat (and thus watts) to do it.

I'll admit, it's an expensive experiment though!

My perception solely based on my experience though is that over the 7 or 8 winters I've had my oil filled radiator on, it's become less efficient. Thats not in any way based on fact, just a gut feel. I guess as well, my room has got bigger (moved house) and electric prices have soared. So really, it's difficult to gauge.

I think basically, for my use, an oil filled radiator is not the right choice. It used to be fine as all it did was keep the ambient temperature of the (converted) garage up so in the middle of winter I could still go out there in the evenings and work on board repairs and such. Now, it needs to keep me warm all day and it just doesn't cut it. Last year the only way I could manage was to have the radiator half under my desk, and to wear some fake Uggs with thermal socks (yep, looks wonderful!) and even then my feet were still cold. My body was ok as I had three or four layers and fingerless gloves. To sit there and program software FFS
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Hence I've decided that this year has to be different. I don't really have the dosh right now but I'm damned if I'm being cold this year!!
 

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Have been thinking about this and my brain has come up with the following, which may be 100% bollocks
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Having a look at the specific heat values for various fluids, air requires 1 Joule per gram to raise its temp by 1 degree whereas paraffin requires about double that. So to initially heat the (for example) 1 litre of oil in the rad would take twice as much energy as if it were filled with air. The oil then needs to transfer its thermal energy to the air via convection so you feel a temp change (you'd get some heating from radiation if you were close enough but it wouldn't be evenly applied so probably isn't relevant for this). The transfer of heat from the oil to air must be less than 100% efficient so you've got 'useful energy' losses.

With the fancy fan heater you only have to heat the thin (nichrome?) heating elements which have a much lower specific heat, so you can get the fan heater element up to 25 degrees with much less energy than the oil. However, as soon as you stop supplying power in the form of electricity to the heater elements they'll cool much faster due to their lower specific heat content, whereas the mass of the oil will retain its temperature for longer.

The second (and possibly more important point to consider) is that the heated air will rise if left to its own devices. With an oil rad the air will generally flow directly to the ceiling so you need to heat the entire room's volume of air before you start feeling it at ground level. With a directed fan heater that hot air can pass over you before it rises to the top of the room, so you should feel warmth at your desk whilst the ceiling level air is still cold. Of course, as soon as the fan heater stops you're not getting warm air directed at you so you'd quickly return to the ambient air temp at desk level.

You could perhaps fix this by having a ceiling mounted fan to redistribute the hot ceiling air and force it down to desk height. Given that you're going to be in a fixed position most of the time I'd expect that fan directed hot air would be more efficient so you can concentrate on heating you and not the entire volume of air.

In terms of overall efficiency you need to consider losses in the system - an oil rad needs to heat itself, the housing and then the entire room volume of air before you feel much change. A fan heater needs to heat the element and then the air that passes over you. Intuitively it seems the fan heater would be cheapest as you're ultimately heating a smaller, directed, volume of air.

The actual power rating of the devices isn't as important as the efficiency: if you only need to run a 2kW heater for 10 minutes out of every hour it's going to cost less than running a 1kW heater for 30 minutes of every hour obviously.

I reckon a directed fan heater under your desk blowing at you is probably the best solution. Rapid directional heat, plus the desk trapping some of the air around ground level should keep you toasty and avoid the problem of heating the entire room volume.

I can't see there being much difference in the energy required to heat a whole room via either method. Thermodynamics says you have to provide the same amount of energy to raise a room of volume X by Y degrees regardless of the method and I suspect the two heater methods have similar efficiency in terms of power in and heat out. But if you can just heat the air around you instead of the whole room then you start using less energy.

So I'd probably try a cheapo fan heater instead of the fancy Dyson :)

PS Sorry this is so long-winded but it's a tiny text box on the iPad and I can't be arsed scrolling back and forth to make sure I'm not repeating myself
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Surprisingly Tim, that did actually make sense
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So I may look out for a cheap(er), thermostat controlled fan heater and see how that goes. Answer is to get one of those energy meters but I really don't want to. I'd start getting really, really miserly
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I picked up an industrial dehumidifier/air conditioning unit on ebay for 20 odd quid.
I run it on 'dry' for an hour and it warms the place up more than my oil radiator does and very quickly too - also removes the problem of damp/condensation.
Might be something to consider. This morning went from 70% humidity/8 degrees to 40%/16 in an hour.

I bought it to dry the place a bit, didn't think it would heat it up so much.
 

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Get one of the quartz heaters. Instant heat. I got one from machine mart which is on wheels and has two bars (so either 1.5kW or 3kW). Not really an 'air' heater as such but it will gradually heat the air but will warm up someone almost immediately. I'd be lost without mine.
 

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Oi!!

I've spent a while today looking things over and just can't find anything that doesn't look so cheap it's just going to be junk, or so expensive it's ridiculous (Dyson), or, and DanP termed it the other day, 'unobtanium' (Vornado). Have actually just found one of the latter. May investigate further...
 
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