Atari System 2 LETA A.P.B FIXED!!

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Can anyone help me identify which chip is the LETA chip, I'm not anywhere near my boards at the mo, but I know the part no, but is that what is actually on the chip?

Any help would be cool, I won't be near my boards again until Fri pm

Here's a bit of info on it, I can't seem to find a real picture of it, I knew which one it was 6 months ago but have forgot this info...

http://www.jrok.com/project/leta/

(He is making an alternative, pretty cool really)

Just want to know what it looks like before Fri pm so I can work on these boards straight away

Thanks

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Have you found schems for the board? It'll be marked on there. It seems that it might be on Rampart boards and I'm sure I've got a couple of those should it turn out duff.
 

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Thanks Mr C you legend, yes Tim the schemes are online and I believe I have an original set inside the cab, just won't be near it until Fri PM.

Thanks all, I shall be messing around with this Fri night (sado aren't I?)
 

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OK. If you provide a link to the schems then I'll be ready to help once you start trying to figure out if the LETA is duff or not :). I'll also have a poke around for my Rampart boards to see if they made a LETA-less joystick version and a with-LETA trackball version.
 

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Okaleeey Dokaleee Doooo!

Here goes...

http://www.crazykong.com/manuals/APB.sch.pdf

I do have spare LETA chips (i.e 3 APB boardsets, 1 has good sounds but fooked LETA chip, 1 has good sounds but German roms + possible gfx issues, the other good LETA chip but dodgy sounds, some are ok but some missing etc...)

I want to have a play and get a good full working set with all sounds LETA etc...

I would love to actually use my logic probe and see the LETA not performing.

Ta
 

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Did you read the link I gave above?

As that has (I think) a how to eliminate that part, doesn't it?

Have a read I'm sure it makes more sense to you.

Thanks

Paul.
 

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Hi Paul, no I can't see that link from work but I know what it is and yes it does replace the original LETA IC with modern components. It's based on a solution developed by Atari which used standard logic chips on a small PCB to replicate the LETA's functions. Does Jrok say he's shipping them or is it just his design? I'll have a look myself tonight when I'm not behind a firewall.

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Do you know it was a few months since I last read it properly, I too have had that page blocked at work, from memory it's only his design but it has got the diagram to build the pcb yourself, I was ready to have a go for a laugh.
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The only thing is I haven't read properly yet is how he prog's that chip, I can't burn those without an adaptor at least, maybe I can't anyway?? Maybe he gets a company to do that bit for him, hope that helps a little.
 

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He includes the JEDEC map and the VHDL source. At a very quick glance, you should be able to program the PLD once you've made the board and wired it to the DIP-24 adaptor.
 

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It was the 137304-1001, now fixed and have a good boardset with good sounds.

Swapped it for a known good one and all ok!

Yeah!!
 

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Thanks y'all!
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Just for info the steering was very random, i.e as you turned the wheel the police car would start to turn then go mental then car would appear flashing in 10 different directions at once, then you would hear the tyre screeching sound as if you were braking.

Almost like the steering optics had gone bad, but I had ruled this out ages ago by changing those for brand new ones from Farnell.

Needless to say you couldn't play the game like it.

What confused me is that this link:- http://www.jrok.com/project/leta/

which goes on about the LETA chip saying that it's a 24 pin chip with the part no. part #137304-2002.
Well I changed that first and no change, that's what made me think "oh the LETA isn't the problem"

Then for sh*ts and giggles I swapped all socketed chips and roms from one good known working cpu board to the other, sure enough my fault carried across.

This proved the circuit board itself was ok and had no faults.

So yesterday one at a time I chip swapped, I ignored the main eproms and concentrated on the logic/ram/customs (whatever they are called you know I'm new to this) and when I got to the lower of the two 137304-1001 chips it cured the steering.

Am I right in guessing that the one above it controls the accelerator? Or is this present in case you run say Marble Madness as that would have more inputs??

Anyway, very happy I have a working set and enough spares to keep it going.

Also discovered that one of my very early APB sets which I thought had a bad board is actually ok, and it was broken power wires and bad filter board connectors which made me think that board was faulty when it wasn't, so I have a spare bottom board as well (APB video/game board)

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I'm on a roll this weekend as my new Sega wonder boy (original) had developed a fault, the colours would go mad and flick orange, slowly this got more often, I saw IronGiant's/Vectorglow's repair log of my exact board and he said fixed colours by replacing IC9, which is now in a socket, I reseated IC9 and touch wood that seems ok now, these boards do flex and creak more than any other board I own, it's like it's too heavy for the thickness of the board, so maybe just because of each time I moved it, it was working that chip loose.

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Happy for now! but after 37 bad chips it may have a few more yet, to me the MBM2148L-55's run ultra hot, is that normal? There is 6 together and they are all ultra hot after 3 mins of playing, anyway that will be another thread soon I'm sure!

Sorry for the blog.
 

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paulcan69 said:
the MBM2148L-55's run ultra hot, is that normal? There is 6 together and they are all ultra hot after 3 mins of playing

Totally normal, they are sprite ram, and they do run unfeasably (untouchably) hot. They're usully pretty easy to identify when they have gone bad by piggybacking.
 

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Thanks for answering that p-man, always nice to know if something is correct/normal.

Got to hear you got back safely, what was the purpose of the USA trip, was it business first with a bit of arcade or what the arcade part the main reason?
 
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