commando logic probe findings

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wonderful,pm sent,I have now desoldered the ram chip,but sadly 2 of it's legs broke off as I was removing it,so no way to tell if it was good or bad now unfortunately
 

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Just as a sanity check,you do have all three PCBs connected when testing don't you?
Just tried mine without the smaller top PCB and it didn't boot.
And did you try swapping the ribbon cables around to see if that makes any difference?
 

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Had some time to look at this again this weekend,after replacing all the fujitsu chips on the middle board,it worked for about 10 mins,then the screen went to this:
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At first I thought it was monitor related,but I tried a few other boards and my cab monitor is fine,does anyone have any idea what area of the board deals with video output?,I checked the clock with the logic probe and it’s working,and roms are being enabled,it seems to boot to this now:
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interesting - it looks like it's related to the circuit that divides the clock down into binary line numbers for the video ram acess.
i dont know if commando does that with a custom or a fuckload of 161's though.

btw, whats a starpoint "bomb" button?
 

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They all seem good pulsing where they should,so im a bit stumped,it does not seem like the game is running in the background as no audio is present and nothing changes on the screen,so it’s not cycling through attract mode anymore
 

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so about the "bomb" button, you disassemble the button into 5 pieces - the black shell, the spring, the inner white section, the clear plastic cover and the coloured insert.
then use letraset to write anything you want on them.
also you can remove factory markings with very fine sandpaper
we used to do this all the time to use old buttons from fruit machines on coctail conversions.
i couldnt tell you how many of those i made up with "1 player" and "2 player" on them instead of start, hold etc.
 

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thanks for the suggestion,yes I had thought of that,but not sure what font was originally used,back to commando,is there a specific video ram I should check?
 

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First just double check the ribbon cables between the boards as they can cause video issues since it's the second PCB that handles video.
Then there's a bunch of LS161 chips on the same schematic page as the video sync.
Check the outputs of 1K,2K,1L and 2L as they provide the H2-H255 and V2-V255 which are the vertical and horizontal syncs.
 

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just to update this thread,I have now fixed the board it turned out to be 2 bad chips,the 7408 at 9L and the 7486 at 4J,I have another one in the repair pile,so at least I now have a working boardset on hand for reference
 

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nice.
keep in mind the custom isnt an issue on those because i made a schematic and somebody else dumped the pal from the replacement module
 
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