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Hi there, my names ian and i'm a forum whore
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I'm a member of alot, but thought i'd check this place out too
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Love the arcades, well loved maybe a better term seeing as there aint many about these days
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Went down to the local ones today with the wife and didnt see 1 cab, tis a shame.

Not got a cab myself but will one day, as soon as i get some cash and talk the wife into it
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Hi Dan, all sorts of games really.

Currently ploughing my way through DOOM on the pc, just got an itch to play it again after about 10 years
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Arcade wise, i guess alot of me favs would be from around the mid 80's to mid 90's, Double Dragon, Vendetta and alot of the side scrolling beat'em up were a particular fav. Again it's ashame there's not alot of them floating about these days
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I hope to pick up a cab as soon as i get my business up and running so i can get a wee collection started, i did get Wrestlefest pcb off ebay for £20 posted a couple of months ago, must dig out the supergun and fire it up
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Hi dude,

Welcome to ukvac! The only scrolling beat 'em up I can play is Simpsons
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I got quite a few chucked in with my Electrocoin NeoGeo and gave them a bash, but I think trying to play Samurai Shodown for a weekend permanently put me off them for life (I was an utter noob and it was the only cart which worked. A tiny bit of learning and a lot of isopropyl alcohol on the other carts and I was into Puzzle Bobble like nobodies business).

Or it could just be that I've got the coordination of a monkey that's had a frontal lobotomy
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Anyway, hope you like it here. If you ever get tempted to start the black arts of PCB repair then you're in the right place, plus we're shortly going to resurrect our Xbox360 online gaming sessions if that's your thing.

cheers

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PCB repair??, i can do heating systems but i have sausage fingers as far as wee electronic type things go.

Simpson is a game i never played
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, played TMNT though, it's pretty similar aint it?

I'd love to play Target Renegade on the speccy again though
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Yeah, Simpsons and TMNT are pretty much a graphics ROM swap, but what a difference it makes
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Never could stand TMNT but I can play Simpsons beat-em-up for hours, as long as somebody can sit there pushing the credit button constantly :)
 

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I'd ideally love a big garage to have a few different types of machine in, with a fridge to store the beers
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So how much of a bad word is MAME around here? not got it, never had, just curious
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MAME definitely isn't a bad word here. More than a few members are active contributors!

If you fancy getting started then I'm sure somebody will be able to help you get going. I use it a lot as part of my repair work - it's a damn sight easier to troubleshoot a board when you know what it's meant to do, plus you have a debug mode in MAME which lets you see what the CPU is doing and you can use that to great effect to figure out what's up with your board.

I recently helped fix a Pacland which was doing the start-up tests but wouldn't ever get into attract mode. Using mame-debug I was able to identify the program ROM addresses that were being fetched to execute the code just prior to attract mode by single stepping the CPU until the attract mode appeared on my PC.

Knowing those addresses it was possible to hook up a logic analyser to the game PCB, monitor the CPU address & data bus and then set a trigger for a read at that program ROM address, causing the logic analyser to sample the next few thousand CPU instructions. From that I could show that the PCB's CPU was sitting in a little loop where it read a value from RAM, compared it to a fixed value and either restarted the loop if the value didn't match, or jump to the attract mode when it matched. The loop was never exiting because the comparison never matched, and without exiting the loop the attract mode wouldn't kick in.

It turned out that the address being read was a 'magic' custom chip register which signified when the game was ready to run. A dodgy socket meant that the 8 bit value being outputted by this custom chip was only actually having 7 bits of information written due to one dodgy pin not transmitting the signal. From knowing the memory map of MAME (in the game driver source code) it was possible to identify which chip this was and which socket so that was resoldered and the game now runs :)

So it's not only fun for the occasional blat on a game (I've never been arsed enough to build a MAME cab, although others on here have) but it's also very helpful for its original purpose of archiving and documenting games.

So definitely not a swear-word round here
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unless you convert a legendary cab without making it reversible.
 

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Cool, i almost understood what you said there
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No, i've seen enough SHAME cabs to know the rights from wrongs
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, Mauling old cabs is wrong, but seems to be becoming more common these days.

If done right though they can be cool machines, but most of the time they are shabbily done
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martin said:
say what?

As flattering as it would be to claim that the Pacland fix was a sign of my sheer awesomeness
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it's not really. It's just the application of various small pieces of knowledge and application of processes that I've built up over the last couple of years, and if I can do it anybody can. I honestly believe that to be the case.

About the only barrier to entry for that kind of low-level and multi-system troubleshooting is the equipment required, some of which is unfortunately quite expensive. The key components were MAME, MAWS (google it), a Logic Analyser (the expensive bit - search the forum for details on what they do) and a 6809 book. The rest was just a logical thought process and a few hours of brain sweat.

The real voodoo is what Macro, Guddler, Junoman and many others get up to. And maybe a little bit of p-man's work, but I don't want to inflate his ego
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If you're ever interested in trying this stuff out then you only really need to learn a few basic concepts such as number base conversion (binary to hexadecimal), have the ability to google and read IC datasheets, a general understanding of how a CPU works and then a small collection of tools. Feel free to post a "How do I get started" thread in Tech and I'm certain you'll get some superb input.

I'd not worked on any electronics till late '07 I think and due to work I've had very long periods of not having time for this so it's not a decade long process at all. And it's nowhere near as hard as it seems as long as you're willing to put some time in to learn the concepts as that makes everything else make sense.

Pep talk over :)
 

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Ta Conners
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I'd love to walk into an arcade from the late 80's or early 90's again, full of working cabs and a pocket full of change
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Went to Blackpool afew times in the heyday's and it was magic, went there a couple of years ago and it just wasnt the same
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Welcome dude, I used to have great love for the beat em ups, but over time, it just became a bit boring, all those games I loved as a kid, became so easy and repetative, I've turned to puzzle and point scoring instead......But I still love Turtles :)
 

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Bensonrad said:
Welcome dude, I used to have great love for the beat em ups, but over time, it just became a bit boring, all those games I loved as a kid, became so easy and repetative, I've turned to puzzle and point scoring instead......But I still love Turtles :)

Thanks buddy
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, i think the reason i have such a fondness for them is that i havent played any of them in years. I bet i'd probably get bored pretty quick, but i'd kill for a game of double dragon the now
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