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Hi folks,

I need to update my aging CPU and mobo. Windows needs some security thingy my CPU doesn’t have to upgrade to Windows 11 and I’ve just updated my graphics card to a 3060ti from a 980ti so now I seem to be CPU locked on a few games on Ultra settings.

I don’t want to spend too much but where’s the sweet spot these days? I guess I’ll need a memory upgrade too. Are there many options at £350ish all in. I’ve always gone Intel but am open to AMD.

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I recently built a budget PC for a friend. I bought a cheap 12400 i5 for £55 off another forum, and also bought a new Gigabyte H610M K DDR4 for £50 from eBuyer (Now gone up to £55) and based the build around that.

After some testing, it's a pretty decent budget build. The CPU is bottlenecked by a 2080ti in Assetto Corsa EVO, so there's definitely more headroom in the CPU department. Board maxes out the ram at 3200mhz, so there's a bit of performance lost there.

Motherboard is pretty bare though, no USB C nor WiFi. But it's a decent upgrade from a 6700k and being DDR4 ram is pretty cheap too. Maybe there's better value in Ryzen, but you can get some really good value in 12th gen Intel these days.
 

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I recently built a budget PC for a friend. I bought a cheap 12400 i5 for £55 off another forum, and also bought a new Gigabyte H610M K DDR4 for £50 from eBuyer (Now gone up to £55) and based the build around that.

After some testing, it's a pretty decent budget build. The CPU is bottlenecked by a 2080ti in Assetto Corsa EVO, so there's definitely more headroom in the CPU department. Board maxes out the ram at 3200mhz, so there's a bit of performance lost there.

Motherboard is pretty bare though, no USB C nor WiFi. But it's a decent upgrade from a 6700k and being DDR4 ram is pretty cheap too. Maybe there's better value in Ryzen, but you can get some really good value in 12th gen Intel these days.
Thermalright Cooler was about £18 quid from amazon.
Also bought a brand new MSI 650w PSU for £50.
GPU is a 1070 so struggles with newer games such as Assetto Corsa Evo.

The whole build was done to a strict budget of £300.
It plays older games OK which is all he want's right now. It'll then just need the ram and GPU upgrading to play newer games, and then it'll do him good for a good few years in that instance.

 
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At the moment you can't go wrong with a AMD Ryzen 7 X3D based CPU. Will keep you going for years. Some Amazon links for you below but you can probaly shop around and save a few quid.

Ryzen 7 5700X3D

B550 chipset motherboard that will suit that processor. - ASUS TUF Gaming B550-PLUS (WI-FI II)

16gb DDR4 - https://amzn.eu/d/2wEl1K9

That lot on Amazon is £360 all in. The only other thing you may need depending on what you have already is a AMD5/4 compatible cooler for the CPU, depending on your case a AIO cooler would be a good option.
 

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I'd always buy AMD. I've bought a fair few things from www.cclonline.com over the years.
Me too, but sadly they've got more expensive, and a little greedy on some items, Scan are better than them, and Amazon you normally find sellers being cheaper than Scan too.

Myself, depends on your budget, if you want it to last, get a 7 series AMD cpu, B-something mobo and 32gig of ram.

Oh, Intel are a bit of a shit show alate.
 

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Hi folks,

I need to update my aging CPU and mobo. Windows needs some security thingy my CPU doesn’t have to upgrade to Windows 11 and I’ve just updated my graphics card to a 3060ti from a 980ti so now I seem to be CPU locked on a few games on Ultra settings.

I don’t want to spend too much but where’s the sweet spot these days? I guess I’ll need a memory upgrade too. Are there many options at £350ish all in. I’ve always gone Intel but am open to AMD.

Cheers
is it the TPM 2.0 by any chance?

i had this issue with my last machine(although it was probably newer than what you have), but you can enable certain things in the BIOS and change settings to get this enabled, again, it will all depend on your current setup. If you are planning on throwing your parts in the bin, then its well worth a go before you buy anything new to get to Windows 11. Windows Upgrade was telling me my motherboard didnt support it, well it wasnt as is, but there was a way around it.

Unless the reason you want to upgrade isnt a Win11 thing
 

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What @tyke said. I just did a build with AMD 5700X3D ended up getting new one about 200 quid I think, with an rtx 3070 I got on eBay for not too much more - you can go cheaper CPU and I think decent too AMD 5600x (about 100). my mobo was microatx bit more but still about 100 an asrock b550. DDR4 rams not too much (corsair vengeance 50 quid 32 gb without the fancy lights :)). It's not a high end set up and Its bit older AM4 but it runs pretty damn well for me.
 

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Thanks for all the info chaps.

GTAV Enhanced is definitely CPU bound on my system which is annoying as it looks amazing but is only running at 40fps with the GPU at 60%.

I think I’ll wait until next month and stretch to a 5700x3D and a mobo upgrade. I have some DDR4 but I’ll see if I can get faster RAM or maybe DDR5.

I don’t like to upgrade too often so like to get stuff that will see me good for 4 or 5 years.
 

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Thanks for all the info chaps.

GTAV Enhanced is definitely CPU bound on my system which is annoying as it looks amazing but is only running at 40fps with the GPU at 60%.

I think I’ll wait until next month and stretch to a 5700x3D and a mobo upgrade. I have some DDR4 but I’ll see if I can get faster RAM or maybe DDR5.

I don’t like to upgrade too often so like to get stuff that will see me good for 4 or 5 years.
i dont know what MB you have but it will need to be fairly recent to be compatible with DDR5, just make sure before you buy
 

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AM4 (Ryzen 5000 series and below) doesn't support DDR4.

AM5 (Ryzen 6000 series and above) does support DDR5.

I've had 5950X and 5800X3D on one of the best ram OC motherboards (B550 Unify X), and the ram speed is dependant on how high you can get the Infinity Fabric to.

My 5950X ran and 3800 CL14/FCLK 1900. And the 5800X3D just about ran at 3600cl14/1800FCLK.

Sweetspot on 5000 series is 3600 ram/1800FCLK at the lowest latency you can run at.
 

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Amazon have a big discount on the 5900X at £225 compared with £199 for the 5600X3D


The 5900X has a smaller cache and is 3 years older but has 24 threads and 12 cores and higher clock speeds.

Am I better spending the extra £26 on it?
 

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Amazon have a big discount on the 5900X at £225 compared with £199 for the 5600X3D


The 5900X has a smaller cache and is 3 years older but has 24 threads and 12 cores and higher clock speeds.

Am I better spending the extra £26 on it?
this is always the chicken and the egg scenario with buying PC components, for just a little bit extra you can get something a little bit better

its how i ended up with a £3k PC
 

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I suppose the question is which is better for 1440p gaming? £26 doesn't make too much difference to the overall cost or the other components i need i guess;.
 

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I suppose the question is which is better for 1440p gaming? £26 doesn't make too much difference to the overall cost or the other components i need i guess;.
1440p gaming is what i should have gone for, my son goaded me into buying better components, plus i didnt want a PC that was inferior to his. so here i am playing Stardew Valley on a mega PC
 

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You need to ask yourself what's the goal.

What monitor/TV do you have?
Do you want high refresh rates for competitive online games?
Or will you mainly play 1 player games, but want max settings at over 60fps @ 1440p/4K.

Some games favour ram bandwidth and low latency, and some games favour the 3D Vcache of the Ryzen CPU. The 9800X3D may be a very good gaming CPU, but it's not the best in all scenarios, especially against an overclocked 14th gen Intel CPU in some games and in most productivity tasks. Yet the price is about the same so people need to weigh up the pros and cons of each.

When I build PC's for mates to a specific budget, I ask them what they want from the PC and then I try and work out what the sweetspot is. I use Gamers Nexus, Framechasers and other techtubers for CPU and GPU benchmarks. You can use those reviews to work out the framerates of both which makes building a balanced system a bit easier. Something will always be a bottleneck and it can be a never ending cycle trying to eliminate any bottlenecks. But from experience, fast low latency ram is very beneficial and I always try and buy the fastest/lowest latency ram and best ram overclocking motherboard I can afford.

As long as you are equal or above the specs of the current generation of consoles, you wont have many issues playing any of the latest games at medium or higher settings as most games are simply ported to PC and are optimised for console specs, so anything above console specs and you will be golden. So a decent 8c/16t CPU, 32gb ram and a pretty powerful GPU with 16gb VRAM will serve you well for 1440p gaming for the foreseeable future. You may have to make compromises if you go lower, and if you go higher you may be able to play comfortably at 4k.

The choice you have regarding the 5900X and 5700X3D, I'd go for 5700X3D if it's gonna be used just for gaming. I built a PC for my nephew with a 3900X which is about 10-15% slower than a 5900X and he has no issues with any game. So either will be OK tbh, but I'd go for the 5700X3D out of the 2.

When I build myself a new a PC, I build it at the end of a platforms lifespan when the platform is maxed out and people have worked out what the best components are. Then I try and buy those components, then I tinker for some months to find the max OC, then dial things back knowing I have some oomph in the tank for later. Not everyone likes to tinker, so there will be other options for those people. But by buying at the end of the generation I usually get things much much cheaper when other people are upgrading to the new and bestest thing.

I have a 14900k, Apex Encore Z790 motherboard, 48gb M-Die DDR5 @ 8200m/t CL36, RTX 3090, everything apart from the 14900k was bought used, so the total outlay although a bit expensive was way under retail price, but was offset by selling old stuff. And even then, I got the 14900k for £380 brand new last year off eBay from a major retailer, so with most of the funds made up from selling older stuff it was not too bad. So the CPU is under warranty if there's any degradation issues later, since I turn off the boost stuff that pumps high voltages into 2 cores I don't think I'll have any issues tbh.

My PC happily handles 1440p gaming and has been awesome at pretty much max settings for a while now, apart from not being able to run full path tracing on Indiana Jones it will continue to chug along a few more years at relatively high gaming settings at 1440p. The GPU is a major bottleneck at higher resolutions, so I'll buy another GPU at a later date hopefully before the 3090 really starts to struggle.


The above is a 14900k with HT and e-cores turned off, so just using 8 P-core threads. It's running at 1080p, but it'll run at 1440p no problems.

My CPU should last for ages, well, until newer CPU instruction sets make it obsolete. The ram bandwidth and low latency will come into their own further down the line, from experience anyway. 32 threads is overkill for most applications, but I use my PC for other stuff so it comes in handy. I turn off the 16 e-cores when gaming and just use 8 p-cores, then when I encode/stream/video edit I turn everything on and it munches through whatever I throw at it.

Everyone has their own opinion regarding what the best is for their own use cases, I don't side with either AMD or Intel, I just want the best for me at a price I can afford that will hopefully last long enough to be cost effective over the long run. And buying high end previous gen has served me well.
 
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My CPU should last for ages, well, until newer CPU instruction sets make it obsolete.

Depending on a couple of factors, damage may already be done to that cpu!

If you want the PC to stand some test of time, buy AMD, they support sockets for a decent amount of years, are actually good CPUs, and an AM5 system isn't that much more than an AM4, which is dead end at this point, but the support on that has been incredible!
 

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The boost algorithms such as TVB appear to be the culprit of the degradation issues mate, from experience too much heat and volts never play nice with CPU's and I don't care what people say, pumping insane voltages into a couple of cores has no major benefit for me. That's why I spend the time tuning my PC after it's put together, all core overclocks at optimal speeds at the lowest voltages using the best cooling I can afford. AMD have had and still do have similar issues with PBO. There a few 9800X3D shitting the bed recently and the major issues with 3000 series are well known.


My race sim PC uses a 5800X3D in it, I initially had a X570 Dark Hero and then side graded to a B550 Unify X to try and get more bandwidth from the ram, and yes, it handily beats any current intel in games like Assetto Corsa which is why I kept it, but it's just in a couple of games, mostly race sims.

In other games the Intel wins, and overall the 1% lows are much better on Intel with fast ram, despite what mainstream techtubers will have you believe. And in tasks such as streaming/encoding, there is no contest, the Intel wins hands down. If there are any degradation issues then I'll see them as I stream for hours with the CPU under full load.

I tend to build to generations of DDR, so if I do build a new PC in the future it will be using DDR6. But everything I've tested using my previous 13900k and now the 14900k, it's been a monster and I have no need to upgrade at all in the near future.

Yeah, both AM4 and 1700 are dead sockets now, so there are some really good bargains to be had if you don't want to play the constant upgrade game. And Intel are terrible for keeping sockets going, completely agree that AM4 has been fantastic. People being able to run the last AM4 CPU's on X370 boards is fantastic.

For a new build, then yeah, probably best to go to AM5 at this point. But either way, the prices to build a high end rig is really getting out of hand these days imo.
 
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Clocking them wasn't the issue, the cpu having little to do was, that left it to go cooking in single core use.

Anyway, Intel isn't in a great place atm, the next cpu release will be another cpu socket by all accounts, so just waste upon waste.

Prices aren't too bad, just the gpus really, people piss money up the wall on RGB bullshit then settle for some mid cpu/gpu, yes a high core cpu will cost some good money, but for gaming those aren't needed.
 
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