net booting and mame

[JohnBud]

hello all, just a small just a small investigation into these 2 things.

a lot of you will know me from other sites, oops and oops to name just 2. i am a lover of video games, not just any video games, arcade video games. for me nothing beats that arcade feel

unlike some folk, i buy games to play. i dont want a big hd telly playing space invaders, i want a cab. i have dedicated cabs for those that need it, and a jamma cab for others

all i really want to do is play games, smoke properly, drink lager and eat curries

but i am getting on a bit and well, i get confused. i had seen the anti mame stuff, but yet its every where. this time its net booting

i had a thread doctored by the mods, after reading the conditions, i sort of understand. although i must say i was not selling roms, they were for free. i have tried on 2 sites to discuss net booting, but its barred

so i guess what im asking is. whats the script ??? before someone else kicks in, i dont blame a well known guy for it, neither do i believe that mame brought down the pricing of pcbs. however i do have the kit and have spent big bucks on naomi. i dont use mame like most of you guys. so whats the big deal on net booting.

well, they still produce naomi stuff, does not justify the stifling of its existence.

they still produce arcade games but it doesnt stop the hackers.

why is it that mame is

and net booting is

and lastly can anybody help me with the gui, i have a laptop and software i just dont get the mixing it bit.

cheers.

john bud

 

[Alpha1]

The complete 'How To' Guide is here: http://guru.mameworld.info/naomi/netdimm.html

 

[JohnBud]

been there still confused. i have a mate who knows more than me, with it all downloaded. but we dont have a scooby how to put it together. i know 2 other guys who are attempting it, both stuck. my gd rom is goosed, although hopefully a replacement will be here soon. this was only a back up, but its not happening yet. i could really have used this at the weekend. just now and again things die. even though we had discs and chips because of the rom drive we were goosed. i know this can be done, but its been about 18 months since i set out to conquer it. i also know that people abuse this in the same way as mame. but at least i have the games.

anybody fancy loading up and configuring a laptop for me ??? im happy to bribe you with things you may be desirous of. bevvy, dosh, games a big hug etc. i just need my id cab running, i even have a poxy club cart here, thats also gubbed.

cheers.

john bud

 

[virtvic]

I'm waiting for my netboot to arrive, when I work it all out myself, I'll try and write it up for you.

 

[Setch]

John

send me a PM with where you are and what you need and I will help you out, it's easy once you know how.

Setch

 

[Setch]

PM sent to get you started

setch

 

[guddler]

Net booting is fine in and of itself. Nothing wrong with it. The problem comes when people start to net boot games that they don't already have the original disc for, or I guess those that were never meant to be netbooted. Which is most I believe.

This is just my personal opinion of course.

I'd like to know too. I have a twin ID3. The GD rom drives won't last forever. That's a fact. And when it gives up i'm damned if I intend to spend money on replacing two drives, or replacing them with CF upgrades. Simply can't afford it in a home setup so that is why i personally want to know...

Whether discussion of it should be allowed from a legal perspective will, I'm sure be decided in due course

 

[JohnBud]

cheers setch, pm received and replied to.

the rights and wrongs in this are grey. whilst i do believe people who are making money from it are wrong to do so, i fully believe that given. the amount i have spent on both games and cabs. my soul is clean on this. i honestly do think that mame is far more dodgy than net booting. as far as i am concerned naomi is a dying format. it wont stop people buying naomi stuff, or stop people putting a dreamcast into a naomi cab. on the same line, watch the price of major title soar as people learn you can hack it. in a few more years naomi will be a dead format, with only home collectors owning the system. look at the taito f3 system its well hacked now. this is not for me to blag a few free games, i have loads of them, i dont need to steal stuff, i could also find most of the games on a home port. but i prefer original stuff. net booting is like mame, its just a back up, a way of trying before you buy. discs and carts will always hold value unlike software.

p.s. still looking for someone to load this into my laptop.

cheers.

john bud

 

[Ace`]

The only people anti net booting are those trying to earn money out of naomi or people worried about their collection devaluing. At the end of the day net booting is more practical even if you own every game as it is so much faster at loading and you dont have to worry about bad connections when plugging in cartridges or failing gdrom drives.

Then you've got the ones that only support cf piracy as they can still make money out of it like geezer servicer.

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Guru's guide is pretty good but there's also one here.  if you run it through google translator. What part are you stuck on JB?. Make sure the cable you're using is cross over as a standard rj45 cable wont work.

edit: site has pirated "warez" on it, please do not link to rom sites.Conners2011-06-22 08:54:38

 

[JohnBud]

i have the hardware set up. its now searching the network. but im just totally in over my head regarding the software side of things. it would be as well in swahili for all i can make out. everytime i start playing with software my head screams at me to fix it with a hammer

i only just found out what a gui is

i might be coming across as a bit monged, but hey thats no problem. i usually am

i just cant get my head round chds, guis and all the other wee things involved. thats the postman been yeehaa, i now have some cards to use. when i get the cab fired up. thanks setch. so there we have it, im now ready to race and can upgrade my car too. what i really need is some kind soul to take the laptop load it up, and send it back ready to use. if anybody fancies trying to load my laptop, drop me a line. im happy to sort you out with what ever you want. im pretty sure that if i dont sort out this thing just now, then it will be another few months before i look at it again. arrysor is sorting me out with a replacement rom drive, so i will at least get to use the cab. but what happens if the next drive dies too ??? its too late for me to have kids, by the time they would be old enough to help my body will be racked with arthritis

so come on guys who is up for this.

cheers.

john bud

 

[Ace`]

My bad I didn't notice the rom links.

JB before you start trying to load games or worrying about software when the naomi says searching for network on the pc open a command window (start - run - cmd) then type ping and the ip address you set in the dimm board (ie ping 192.168.0.1). If it is connected and setup properly on the pc and dimm board you should get 4 responses and how many milliseconds it took.

Once you get this working the rest is easy.

 

[Setch]

Hi John

I will see if I can put together a guide with screen shots later on tonight when Im back from work.

Setch

 

[Setch]

As for loading your laptop up, theres not really much that needs to be loaded, the painfull bit is decrypting the CHD's from mame but once its been done or if you get them from someone who has already done the work it makes things a bit easier.

Your pretty much restricted to GD-ROM games at the moment, there are images of Cart games but these need to be patch to work and only a handfull of people know how this is done,(im not one of them)..

left me know a game you have and I will taylor instructions to this.

Also can you check your test menu for the Dimm board, do you see network settings ? if not you will also need to upgrade your Naomi Bios, some games only work with specific Bios too but I have a list somewhere with what works with what..

SetchSetch2011-06-22 12:35:15

 

[Alpha1]

My bad I didn't notice the rom links.

JB before you start trying to load games or worrying about software when the naomi says searching for network on the pc open a command window (start - run - cmd) then type ping and the ip address you set in the dimm board (ie ping 192.168.0.1). If it is connected and setup properly on the pc and dimm board you should get 4 responses and how many milliseconds it took.

Once you get this working the rest is easy.

I think that is over his head mate - read above.

 

[JohnBud]

smart cookie that bearded guy. my head gets frazzled on software. i do know some command lines, run, gosub,then, and some more. but these were in the days when you got a game and typed it in line by line. in asteroids you were a clock

as alpha1 says, its above my head. im more than happy to show people the skills i have. and although i know a fair bit its not relevant to software or chasing marks and spaces. i have a member here, in fact a couple of members who are trying to help, that live close to me. i have helped a couple of guys with theyres, but no one has got back to me and said, yeah baby im in. i could start out on the flash kit route, and it may be easier. but tbh im starting to think its a step too far

do any of you guys have this running ??? or is it just a case of like myself, yup in theory i could do that.

cheers.

john bud

 

[Setch]

hey John

Dont fear, I'm busy taking pictures and screenshots of the whole process, done the actual net booting bit but now need to sit down and write up the CHD conversion it's been a while since I have done this bit.

If you already have a decrypted image ready to go I will skip that bit and publish the main bit to you.

if the mods are happy to have this posted to the forum I will do so.

Spent 6 hours teaching 2 very old teachers at my school how to copy & paste so am used to taking baby steps, and yes it took them 6 hours to grasp the concept.. They miss their typewriters and tipex.

Setch

 

[Setch]

you have PM

 

[frothmeister]

Hey Setch, I'm interested to hear the full idiots guide to this as well.

If it's not suitable for posting on the forum would you please PM it over to me too.

I doubt very much whether I will ever use it, I don't own a Naomi and probably never will but I'm still interested to hear what it's all about. I'd never even heard of net booting 'til John Bud mentioned it.

 

[JohnBud]

its very similar to the anti mame argument that was/is still around. you arent paying for the licence to own/play the games. endex. i have tried dreamcast and naomi of games, both the same games, running at 31k, and well i still prefer the naomi version. so it can be argued that if i buy the software on a home port then in theory i own those rights. and if i am given the software then surely im not breaking the law. i mean ffs you can play all sorts of sh*t on mame. but net net booting whoahh hold on there boy. is it just me or have i missed something ??? they can mame all sorts of shooters, daphne ??? wtf, squillions of jamma games and home systems too. but naomi stuff no, this cant be allowed. why not ??? thats all im asking why is mame now accepted, but not naomi ??? well apart from the obvious, which sadly i cannot see.

cheers.

john bud

 

[guddler]

You've not missed anything. It's just that people are still actively making money from both the games and the conversions (compact flash), and what's more, some of those people are collectors themselves (sometimes were the worst lot) and where's theres money to be made, it always becomes a touchy subject.

We'll get it sorted. Inside of any law we need to. As has already been stated (I think!) just no links to ROMs or copyrighted materials...