PC Problems

[Vorbis]

So

I'm presuming that's the memory training, is memory context restore enabled? It shouldn't take too long, but then I'm not sure on the average for 64gig, but 5 mins prob shows there was a fail.

Yes memory training, I've not had any crashes since and seems to be stable in gaming but memtest86 is showing a bunch of errors in EXPO (260 so far and it's still running). I'll switch EXPO off and run again at stock speed just to see if it still has issues. If it does then I have replacement ram coming and I guess if that has errors to then there's something wrong elsewhere and it can go back. If ddr5 wasn't currently so bloody expensive I'd buy a couple of sticks from another manufacturer that is on the QVL list and try those.

 

[Vamino]

So throughout my calls with them when updating the expo settings they've had me hard restart the computer when it hadn't rebooted after about 5 minutes. This hasn't felt quite right and a bit of googling tells me you're supposed to sit and wait as long as it takes. I did this and left it for a while and the machine did actually restart and the ram seems to now be running at a stable 6000mhz in EXPO. The weird thing is though, I seem to actually be getting slightly lower FPS than I was getting previously (around 210 in Cyberpunk rather than the 250). I think I have the same settings but I've tried so many different things it's hard to tell🙄. Maybe it's because I've enabled adaptive sync? I'll run memtest86 again tomorrow and see if I'm still getting errors but it's definitely more stable.

Try disabling HAGS and see if that helps mate.

It's a setting that offloads some tasks to the GPU, which can cause some performance loss when gaming if Windows decides to do some crap in the background.

Settings → System → Display → Graphics Settings
Disable Hardware Accelerated GPU Scheduling.

Also try turning off Gamebar
Settings → Gaming→ Xbox Game Bar

 

[Vorbis]

Turning off adaptive sync got the FPS back up to where it was. To be honest not really bothered about FPS other than as a guide to how the system is performing, would just like to resolve the memory (and stability) issues. Hopefully the new ram will fix it, otherwise I guess they can have it back

 

[Vamino]

Turning those 2 things off may help with some hitches and stutters caused by that garbage on demanding games, it's not gonna help eliminate all problems, but whether on high end or entry level PC it definitely helps when gaming.

 

[Vorbis]

No memorytest86 errors running at 4800mhz so far but will wait for the final result, then I suppose test again at 5200 and 5600. Maybe it's just a matching issue with the ram or an issue with expo profiles.

 

[Vamino]

Give TM5 a try too, that catches errors other tests don't.

I personally use all 3 (Memtest86/TM5/Karhu) when testing.

 

[Vorbis]

Well it passed memtest86 at 4800 so currently running at 5600 with no errors so far (at 6000 they were immediate). Not quite sure what this means but seems hopeful even if I can't quite get it to run at 6000

 

[Vorbis]

5600 was a pass, now running 5800 with initial signs being good.

Any idea what manual settings I would need for 6000, wondering if maybe a slightly higher voltage than is in whatever profile expo sets might help. It seems to me this ram is probably the cheapest option pc specialist could get so probably not expo rated.

 

[Vamino]

I'd personally see how the new set performs first, they may just work without any hassle.

I don't know much about specific AM5 settings, but ram OC is ram OC, and there are some things you can adjust to gain stability. But be warned, ram OC'ing can be a long drawn out process when you are trying to reach some sort of goal, a lot of testing using multiple stress tests is required to prove stability. Intel is so complicated it puts a lot of people off, but z790 is by far the most rewarding platform I've ever tinkered with.

My gaming rig OC is pretty much done now thank fek, it took many many months to dial everything in. This is the result, a vid showing off my new favourite game with pretty much flat framerate + frametime graphs.

 

[Vorbis]

Are you sure that's a game? 😁

 

[Vorbis]

Halfway through the test at 5800 and still no errors. To be honest I just want the thing to run as it should with no faff. If it's stable at 5800mhz then that's probably fine with me. I'm not chasing every scrap of performance just really wanted something that could drive this screen for the foreseeable. Might invest in some better ram down the line but not at current pricing levels. It's running cyberpunk 2077 at 250 plus fps (with dlss resolution scaling at ultra performance and 4 x frame gen) with path tracing enabled on a ultra wide at 2 x 4k and frankly looks great. To be fair to PC Specialist I don't think I could have got a better specced machine for 3.6k even if I'd built it myself just slightly disappointed that the ram doesn't run stably at the suggested speed but I suppose 5800hz isn't a million miles away and AMD only confirm upto 5600 for the 9950x3d anyway.

Love the look of the game, been thinking I need a decent wheel, that might give me an excuse 😁

 

[Vamino]

I'm blown away with how good the game is mate, I'm set for a good few years now!
Whilst my PC is in the test phase I'm using a controller, the game is supposed to be very good with a decent FFB wheel. Sounds like you are already eyeing up the next thing to buy then. lol

Personally I don't turn on the frame gen stuff, at this moment in time there's really no need with a 5090, and there is a latency penalty once you go past 2x frame gen. It does have it's upsides though, with it turned on, if you set a framecap or turn on vysnc at something like 60 for single player games, you'll get some good power savings and things will run a lot cooler and quieter.

Yeah, your PC is a beast mate, I think it was a good price too. Buying a quality prebuilt system like that saves you the hassle of buying parts and building it yourself. Yeah you can save some money shopping around, but if you value your time, have the funds and don't really enjoy the process then it's really convenient. It's just a shame you've had some niggles, takes some of the enjoyment away from ownership. There's still an upgrade path on your platform too, not that you need it!

When you buy flagship, yeah the price is a lot, but you are gonna be playing at max settings for a good few years. Me and a mate are still using 3090's, that card was and is still amazing, 5 years on and it can still game at max settings in a lot of new games. In relative terms, the 5090 is double the performance of a 3090 with a few other features thrown in, and the video capture on the 5090 is very impressive. Yeah it's not for everyone, but I don't drink nor smoke and having access to a nice PC is my guilty pleasure.

You won't be losing too much performance at 5600m/t or 5800m/t, yeah the X3D chips do benefit from lower latency and faster frequency, but once you near the sweetspot of 6000m/t the gains above that are in the realm of diminishing returns. I'd not let off specialist PC off the hook though, you may be able to get some sort of gesture of goodwill from them due to not getting the full spec you paid for.

 

[Vorbis]

At 7680 x 2160 even the 5090 struggles without frame gen and resolution scaling unfortunately (I know I can drop resolution if needed). Its the downside of the monitor unfortunately but it's fantastic for work and games look pretty amazing at that scale. I'm not into competitive gaming, more single player RPGs and exploration (though I do like a good driving game, although probably more Forza than full on realistic physics Sims). My last computer is a 5 year old mini pc with a laptop class 2070 in it and at 1080p it runs everything still just fine.

 

[Vorbis]

So, I sent the PC back for them to sort out. Apparently they have changed the ram, the CPU & the GPU although not entirely sure what the issue with the GPU was. I'm away on business at the moment but will be interesting to see what has actually been done and whether it has made any difference (not overly hopeful to be honest)

 

[Vorbis]

I have the serial numbers for the old ram and GPU so the first check will be to see if they've actually changed them 😁

 

[DaytimeDreamer]

Did you have G.Skill RAM by any chance?

 

[Bods]

That Assetto Corsa Rally does look awesome

When I used to be going around fixing PC's in the late 90s I had 3 or 4 different test programmes and I found same then, one of them would find errors non of the others did, was much easier back then though

What ya thoughts on my Nephews PC, he got it 2nd hand from local lad who had upgraded and it's first machine he's bought for proper PC Gaming after me giving him an old HP for Teknoparrot stuff

CPU: Intel Core i5-12400F
GPU: Geforce RTX 3080 Vision OC Edition
MB: ASUS Prime B660M-A Wifi D4
RAM: 32GB (2x16gb) Corsair Vengeance DDR4 3600Mhz
HDD: 2TB WD Green SN350 NVMe SSD
Cooler: ID-Cooling Frostflow 240 AIO
Case: Fractal Design North
PSU: Thermaltake Smart BM2 750W (80+ Bronze)
Fans: 4x Noctua NF-S12B Redux

Not well up on Current PC stuff but looking at CPU list on the MB he's got scope to upgrade that pretty good still with an Intel I9-14900 CPU at top of list

 

[ZedEx48K]

So, I sent the PC back for them to sort out. Apparently they have changed the ram, the CPU & the GPU although not entirely sure what the issue with the GPU was. I'm away on business at the moment but will be interesting to see what has actually been done and whether it has made any difference (not overly hopeful to be honest)

lol, if they think all those parts have a problem but they've not considered the motherboard, they have dumb ass tech!

 

[Vamino]

That Assetto Corsa Rally does look awesome

When I used to be going around fixing PC's in the late 90s I had 3 or 4 different test programmes and I found same then, one of them would find errors non of the others did, was much easier back then though

What ya thoughts on my Nephews PC, he got it 2nd hand from local lad who had upgraded and it's first machine he's bought for proper PC Gaming after me giving him an old HP for Teknoparrot stuff

CPU: Intel Core i5-12400F
GPU: Geforce RTX 3080 Vision OC Edition
MB: ASUS Prime B660M-A Wifi D4
RAM: 32GB (2x16gb) Corsair Vengeance DDR4 3600Mhz
HDD: 2TB WD Green SN350 NVMe SSD
Cooler: ID-Cooling Frostflow 240 AIO
Case: Fractal Design North
PSU: Thermaltake Smart BM2 750W (80+ Bronze)
Fans: 4x Noctua NF-S12B Redux

Not well up on Current PC stuff but looking at CPU list on the MB he's got scope to upgrade that pretty good still with an Intel I9-14900 CPU at top of list

Good solid 1080p/1440p PC there mate. The 3080 is still a great card, I tested a 3080ti recently and it's not far off 3090 performance, and that's still a really good card.

Something like a 12700/K would probably be more optimal for long term.

This movie shows how an overclocked Intel 8 P-Core CPU and overclocked DDR5 ram can handle an overclocked 5090 (Lowest setting in order to test how much CPU bottlenecks things) at 1440p, the GPU is still the bottleneck so he will be fine with that setup for a good few years.

 

[Vorbis]

Got back in this morning. Too shattered to take a look 😭 Will hopefully get it connected up tomorrow. I'm just surprised they felt the need to change the GPU as well as that wasn't flagging any issues! Will be interesting to see if they actually swapped what they said they swapped! Is there a way to check hours used on components. I'm a little concerned they may have just used refurbished parts