Question re: voltage transformers

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I have two cabs, one has a power transformer like the 1st photo on this eBay listing, the other has one like the 4th photo.

The transformer in the second cab is really quite noisy and I'm looking to replace it. I don't have much knowledge of the different types, can anyone recommend one?

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Can't advise on the replacement - hopefully someone else can, but I've also had noisy transformers in the past.. putting out a loud buzzing sound. Does anyone know what causes the noise and is there a way to reduce/eliminate the noise?
 

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Is it a laquer on the copper ?

Some of the lawyer de laminates and the vibrato causes the sound ,
Re lawyer could stick the lose back together stopping th esound
 

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Can't advise on the replacement - hopefully someone else can, but I've also had noisy transformers in the past.. putting out a loud buzzing sound. Does anyone know what causes the noise and is there a way to reduce/eliminate the noise?
That's what mine is doing. Seems to settle somewhat after maybe 20 mins or so but it's still noisy. I can't hear anything from the other "doughnut" style one, never have in the 7 years I've had the cab.
 

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Loose plates. The core is made of layered thin iron sheets bolted together, or held together with a steel housing. If they are loose, they'll vibrate at 50Hz causing a buzz or hum. It may quieten down after the plates heat up and expand a bit.

If bolted together, you could check if the bolts are loose. I have heard of people applying glue or resin, sometimes this is done in the factory. You'd want some proper advise though before trying anything like that.
 

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Agree with that others say about the noise and delamination of plates etc.

The first one is a toroidal type one, I think they may be newer and can be more efficient, you shouldnt have any issues swapping to one as long as it puts out the same voltages.
 

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Toriods are generally used where the electronics are sensitive to electro magnetic interference, such as test gear and audio amps. I'd don't remember the physics behind it, but I think the magnetic flux emitted stays much closer to the transformer, so you don't have to leave so much space between the transformer and the circuitry.
 

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Thanks for the useful replies.

If you'll further indulge me - this toroidal transformer looks like it might be suitable.

One of my cabs (with the existing toroidal) has an Electrohome chassis (not sure what voltage that has for input), the other is a Kortek. What would I be looking for from the Voltage and Power options on the eBay listing, given that I likely want 120V output?

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Ideally you want to swap like for like, so whatever your current one outputs, but I would also check what input voltage/s the monitor supports, some will accept quite a variation and others just a small variation.
 

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Yep, get some numbers off your existing transformer(s).
If it's not up to the power, with headroom for power-on inrush, it'll saturate and you'll get nothing out of it (well, nothing good).

The laminations in the block transformer are electrically insulated from each other with a coat of varnish (keeps eddy currents down and efficiency up), so with those and the windings, there's a lot of pieces inside a transformer and plenty of scope for something somewhere to vibrate a bit when you put 50Hz mains onto it.

It must be loud to notice it, as arcade machines are normally booming the sound out, if you're doing it properly :D.
 

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Is it definitely the transformer that's creating the noise? If so then as John says above, it's not just the voltage you need to look out for, it's the wattage the transformer can generate on the output. Large heavy duty power transformers do hum, but small ones inside cabs usually don't and you find it coming from interference to the speaker, usually not grounded properly or an additional capacitor needed somewhere.

You can disconnect the transformer and remove it, and apply a fresh coat of laminate or use bees wax. Bees wax is the easiest to get hold of and is simply melted in a double boiler. You dip the transformer, just the block, into the wax and agitate it so to remove as much of the air bubbles as possible. Once done, remove and let sit to allow any access to drip off and harden. You can then connect the transformer to the mains and check the voltages on each of the leads before putting back into the equipment.

If a transformer does vibrate over a long period of time continuously it can generate heat, which can degrade the laminate causing a failure and shorting the transformer.

Very few toroidal transformers, or ordinary transformers for that matter, have enough of the right output voltage/wattage in a single unit and you may find you need a couple, off the shelf , to match the right requirements, or get a second hand one that still works.
 

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I disconnected the speaker, it's not that.

What I have observed is that the transformer makes the noise when the monitor/chassis puts demand on it.

When they are disconnected there's no audible sound. But @tb2000 has had the chassis on his bench twice and said it's not noisy.
 

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Just wondering, is the transformer original to the cab, chassis and power regulator and game PCB? If not then maybe it is being overworked and not rated for the needed power, not voltage.

If you are over driving the transformer then, yes it will hum.
 

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I've no idea, wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't. Similarly, I have no idea if the toroidal transformer in my other cab is original to it but that's been fine. Maybe I should look for another of that type.
 
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