Referendum

[strykr]

Ashamed doesn't come close. An opportunity to make positive change lost. Lot of people now feeling totally empty. The nos won, but not through sound argument or even strong feelings of identity, just threats, worst case scenarios and media manipulation. 6 people in a hundred, that's all they had to scare, and I know more than that round here who've told me that's exactly why they voted no.

Oh well, the battle is lost. The future for Scotland looks grim. Scant consolation, but at least Adolf Brown has already been shafted by Cameron. Scotland will get 'powers' (xray vision / levitation etc?), but Scotland's labour MPs will lose voting rights at Westminster. Bet he doesn't feel so smug now!

There will be more elections, probably not about independence, but we can hold the two faced red Tories to task for their revolting self serving hypocrisy.

Sad times indeed.

Well done Glasgow and Dundee

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Anyhoo, final word, ashamed? Aye, for sure, i didn't expect much else to be honest.
My gut feelings just don't like Scotland anymore and I never thought I'd say that.
I have Irish heritage so that's me from now on

Bleak? come on, in the global scheme of things you must see thats an overstatement. your making it sound like losing the referendum has turned you into Ethiopia.

 

[JohnBud]

gutted does not convey my feelings i have mourned this loss for 3 days and shed my first tear yesterday. whilst i see all these arguments regarding money, for me this had nothing to do with money. i have always been a scottish nationalist and will remain so until the day i die. i'm not an english hating jock, i'm just a wee scottish guy who loves his country and thinks that we can manage our own country. i am indeed 1 of those people who have plastered facebook with independence proposals.

as i said to a facebook friend, after he asked " if you lose can i laugh" sure i said. but if you do it to my face then expect sore balls i don't hate the english, welsh or indeed irish. but a wee part of me died when we lost our chance. most of you cannot possibly know the feelings of despair that i hold just now. time is a great healer and time will tell whether this vote has split or joined a nation. we have been offered more powers by westminster and as long as we get these powers then i'm sure we will re-unite as a nation again, but only time will tell. i have spent most of my time recently campaigning to get independence. i now look forward to getting back into my fave hobby.

 

[Alpha1]

gutted does not convey my feelings i have mourned this loss for 3 days and shed my first tear yesterday. whilst i see all these arguments regarding money, for me this had nothing to do with money. i have always been a scottish nationalist and will remain so until the day i die. i'm not an english hating jock, i'm just a wee scottish guy who loves his country and thinks that we can manage our own country. i am indeed 1 of those people who have plastered facebook with independence proposals.

as i said to a facebook friend, after he asked  " if you lose can i laugh" sure i said. but if you do it to my face then expect sore balls i don't hate the english, welsh or indeed irish. but a wee part of me died when we lost our chance. most of you cannot possibly know the feelings of despair that i hold just now. time is a great healer and time will tell whether this vote has split or joined a nation. we have been offered more powers by westminster and as long as we get these powers then i'm sure we will re-unite as a nation again, but only time will tell. i have spent most of my time recently campaigning to get independence. i now look forward to getting back into my fave hobby.

 

[DanP]

gutted does not convey my feelings i have mourned this loss for 3 days and shed my first tear yesterday. whilst i see all these arguments regarding money, for me this had nothing to do with money. i have always been a scottish nationalist and will remain so until the day i die. i'm not an english hating jock, i'm just a wee scottish guy who loves his country and thinks that we can manage our own country. i am indeed 1 of those people who have plastered facebook with independence proposals.

as i said to a facebook friend, after he asked " if you lose can i laugh" sure i said. but if you do it to my face then expect sore balls i don't hate the english, welsh or indeed irish. but a wee part of me died when we lost our chance. most of you cannot possibly know the feelings of despair that i hold just now. time is a great healer and time will tell whether this vote has split or joined a nation. we have been offered more powers by westminster and as long as we get these powers then i'm sure we will re-unite as a nation again, but only time will tell. i have spent most of my time recently campaigning to get independence. i now look forward to getting back into my fave hobby.

Nicely put JB. I really do think time will heal, especially if more people are as intelligent and thoughtful as you are on the subject. Scotland will reunite as soon as the 6 nations comes rolling around

My personal view is that you've pretty much got the best result you could have got. The YES campaign ran so close that it's rocked the "establishment" to it's core and altered politics in the whole UK forever. Scotland will pretty much get all the powers it was after and so to to some measure will the other parts of the UK. There are plenty of people from the other 55 million who don't particularly want to be ruled as we have been any more, it's not just you guys. I've always unfortunately lived in areas where the ruling MP always had such a large majority that any vote was pretty much a waste of time or at best a protest vote. Where I live now it's Eric the Hutt Pickles. I'm quite hopeful that there will be real change and that some of the inequities of life in the UK are addressed. Does anyone really believe a premiership footballer deserves to be paid the price of a new hospital each year or that a banker deserves a bonus worth more than 100 times the average wage?

 

[JohnBud]

it was important for me to win. i as a second generation born scotsman will be in the minority soon. we shall lose our heritage, schools no longer teach scottish history it's all british history now. we tried and we lost

but i am still scottish and as you say dan, we did get those extra powers. hopefully we as an island will move forward and concentrate on making this island as healthy and equal as we can. i have spent many years living and working daan saarf. i have many english friends and i'm sure those who i talk with will accept i'm not an angry english hater. it's now just gone 12 and the pub is open, time i got my socks on and headed out for a paper

when i come home i will fire up a cab and take out my frustration on some alien scum

some things will never change

 

[Muppz]

it was important for me to win. i as a second generation born scotsman will be in the minority soon. we shall lose our heritage, schools no longer teach scottish history it's all british history now.

Not sure I'm comparing apples with apples here but Wales now has a massive resurgence of the National identity, Welsh is taught in schools, road signs the whole lot, why can't it be the same for Scotland even though the vote was no, even Cornwall are re-introducing their language to schools from what I've read, you don't have to lose a national identity just because the vote went the wrong way.

 

[JohnBud]

No bud. It has been happening since the 80s I recently asked a guy about a quote from robert the bruce. Sadly he did not recognise this and googled it. He was wrong we must keep our identity it's what makes me unique

 

[Nintendo Arcade]

I understand where your coming from jon
English values havering disappearing too and being undermined by the superstate that is Europe .
What I don't understand is why you would want to leave the uk and stay within a even bigger machine that will set your rules and regulations ?

 

[JohnBud]

that was the whole point of the vote, we didn't want to lose you guys, we just wanted to have control

scotland has a lot to offer, all we wanted was to be on a level platform. i really don't want to go into this stuff as it would take a lot of typing but we are a wealthy country and we do seem to lose a lot of our overall income it would be nice to see a breakdown of the total expendisure ??? of what we actually give to england, but to be honest i accept the defeat and really don't want to get involved with this on a video forum

i have wept over this and it will not go away. i will always remain under the control of another country

not a lot i can say or do about it, scotland said " NO " ana i will accept what is the outcome. i also accept the right of an englishman to voice his concerns

but that is for your country to vote on, not mine

we are a small island just off the coast of europe. however in terms of power the united kingdom is a huge enemy. we should all accept what the world wants and that is peace

yeah sure i'm a hippy stoner come alky, but i'm cool with that. i don't look for fights and i look after some peeps that are off the slant

the meek will not inherit the earth the warlords will. so we will continue to waste vast amounts of cash on WMDs that we can't use as this will see our world destroyed

but we are looking at investing billions of £££ to ensure that our WMDs are up to date, whilst the poor have to hit foodbanks surely this cannot be right ??? we would rather spend money on un-usable weapons, rather than look after our own people

wtf has happened to the country/uk i once served and loved ??? all i see is people hitting foodbanks. when i was younger at least if you said you were broke, they would at least ensure you got a giro !!! not now, you get sent to a foodbank. if they have only baked beans for dinner then that is it !!! this cannot be allowed to happen. i am proud to be part of the 45. i would like to see this down south

we didn't want a war, we only wanted change. there will always be wasters, stoners, alkies and junkies however society makes them. it your job as a staight head tax paying person to choose where your taxes are spent. i would rather see it spent on my countries wasters, than throw it down the stank

 

[RygarR]

Bleak? come on, in the global scheme of things you must see thats an overstatement. your making it sound like losing the referendum has turned you into Ethiopia.

Honestly?

Moving on from the referendum.

A progressive society concerned with the welfare of its citizens bases its aspirations on the highest standards, not the worst.

Anything else leads to a monstrous race towards hell on earth.

Also, as a taste of what the red Tories now have in store for you all, check out Gordon Brown's 'speech of a lifetime', given just before the big vote.

Truly frightening stuff.

Brown works himself into a hate filled fury, ranting about them and us, railing on about national identity and pride, and demonizing his opponents, all the while shouting, gesticulating and more or less frothing at the mouth. Ein volk, ein reich, ein labour party.

Nuremberg rally anyone?

It's been said elsewhere on here, countries are just constructs. I've never considered myself British, I've also given up on Scottish. I'll settle for being European for the time being.

 

[JohnBud]

oh and by the way

please do not call me a w**ker for my views, it has taken a lifetime to get here

 

[Nintendo Arcade]

Jon I agree with all that you say
I think the problem salmond had and the reason you lost was because he didn't have a clear objective with your currency.
That is a major issue for both scots and English

 

[RygarR]

Jon I agree with all that you say
I think the problem salmond had and the reason you lost was because he didn't have a clear objective with your currency.
That is a major issue for both scots and English

Currency wasn't as big an issue as the media or bitter together suggested. Real people up here, as opposed to politicians or internet trolls were sick of hearing about it. In the end enough people had been scared into believing they'd lose their jobs to more than account for the no lead.

 

[strykr]

Bleak? come on, in the global scheme of things you must see thats an overstatement. your making it sound like losing the referendum has turned you into Ethiopia.

Honestly?

Yes honestly, but lets leave it there.

 

[woody]

we do seem to lose a lot of our overall income it would be nice to see a breakdown of the total expendisure ??? of what we actually give to england

tax receipts and spending from 1980 to 2012. Scotland had
paid in £1,425bn in tax receipts, including a geographic share of oil
revenues. Public spending in and for Scotland was £15bn more at
£1,440bn.