ChrisBinary said:
What game is it Chris?
Todd Rogers banned and removed from TG
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What game is it Chris?
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Nothing too exciting 
It was only a #3 Gaplus score hehe. I'll check out Aurcade, cheers lads.
It was only a #3 Gaplus score hehe. I'll check out Aurcade, cheers lads.jugemscloud
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the dispute system - you tell us where there is blatant cheating (we won't be bothering to look) and even then we MAY only do something when the evidence is so overwhelming it cannot be ignored but we will bury our head in the sand for as long as possible
http://www.twingalaxies.com/feed_details.php/104/twin-galaxies-dragster-dispute-concludes-with-banning-of-todd-rogers/5
http://www.twingalaxies.com/feed_details.php/104/twin-galaxies-dragster-dispute-concludes-with-banning-of-todd-rogers/5
smarty said:
He's an idiot, if you're going to cheat then you should do it on real hardware. It wouldn't take long to add TAS support to Donkey Kong.
The problem is allowing people to submit scores achieved on their own hardware.
You need tamper proof arcade hardware that has been examined by multiple independent people.
One example: "Another MAME behavior that is worth pointing out is rotation. Although we see DK in the correct orientation when we play on a real cab, the video is actually generated on its side, with the top of the screen being on the right-hand side. MAME also emulates this incorrectly... Billy's 1.047M and 1.05M games show the incorrect rotation."
It's not MAME's fault, it's user error. Billy should have used a vertical monitor.
smf2018-02-03 11:19:41
jugemscloud
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just further evidence of how outmoded using actually hardware is in the context of the internet and current computational sophistication. the only means i can see of having some truly objective system would be a website where name or similar was hosted and people could log in to play and have scores verified through it as there is some form of objectivity in a system like that though it could still be tampered with (see LMAO box for an example of manipulating only online games - TF2 on steam).
subsequent to that would be the issue of DRM and having to account for the contemporary public use of thousands of IPs that a blind eye is currently turned to even in commercial ventures, though the argument of not protecting an IP as evidence of the holder relinquishing their rights on it would hold in many cases i don't know how many people are going to want to set records on really obscure IPs from the early to mid 80s though
jugemscloud2018-02-03 11:01:47
subsequent to that would be the issue of DRM and having to account for the contemporary public use of thousands of IPs that a blind eye is currently turned to even in commercial ventures, though the argument of not protecting an IP as evidence of the holder relinquishing their rights on it would hold in many cases i don't know how many people are going to want to set records on really obscure IPs from the early to mid 80s though
jugemscloud2018-02-03 11:01:47
jugemscloud said:
The only way to stop cheating is to get all the players together in a room and use an arcade board supplied by someone impartial, who you know can be trusted.
If you run the emulation client side then it's wide open to cheating, if you run it server side then the latency will change the gameplay experience.
jugemscloud
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i was inferring to an optimal system where there are no technical issues, i probably should have been implicit though.the issue then becomes about inputs especially routine games such as pacman where a physical device could be created that physically inputs the correct controls rather than just a script that does this to the code like a TAS.
ideally small groups could be an option, but i have my reservations see the earlier note about the inner coterie of TG (46 minutes in in King of Kong - the ladybug scene), the corruptive element of power may also be an important factor of consideration i know from recent first hand experience that there are "high standing" members of the uk arcade community whose moral integrity is questionable at the very least (this is understatement).
also then logistics thats a hell of a friendship if you and one or two other people are going to watch a 24-48 single game marathon session what if multiple people want to play the same game for a lot of cabs here in the UK there is very limited numbers some even only as single examples, this plays to the specific of original hardware and controls i.e. joysticks and buttons that are to american stock standards or british how far does the categorisation go or at what point is there an acceptable baseline. (see the mr.awesome trackball debacle for how far some people can take this)
there will probably never be a 100% fool proof system, and best to play for self satisfaction/achievement than to be gauged against some questionable metric
jugemscloud2018-02-03 11:55:46
ideally small groups could be an option, but i have my reservations see the earlier note about the inner coterie of TG (46 minutes in in King of Kong - the ladybug scene), the corruptive element of power may also be an important factor of consideration i know from recent first hand experience that there are "high standing" members of the uk arcade community whose moral integrity is questionable at the very least (this is understatement).
also then logistics thats a hell of a friendship if you and one or two other people are going to watch a 24-48 single game marathon session what if multiple people want to play the same game for a lot of cabs here in the UK there is very limited numbers some even only as single examples, this plays to the specific of original hardware and controls i.e. joysticks and buttons that are to american stock standards or british how far does the categorisation go or at what point is there an acceptable baseline. (see the mr.awesome trackball debacle for how far some people can take this)
there will probably never be a 100% fool proof system, and best to play for self satisfaction/achievement than to be gauged against some questionable metric
jugemscloud2018-02-03 11:55:46
jugemscloud said:
There isn't one. MAME has enough latency as it is, using a client/server makes the latency worse.
jugemscloud said:
You wouldn't need a physical device, it would be impossible to prevent software exploits from interfering. Even when companies try to control what software runs on their hardware, they ultimately fail.
jugemscloud said:
That problem exists for an internet based approach. If the people in charge have no moral integrity then they can change any data they want on the server.
jugemscloud said:
Unless everyone gets the same choice of controls, then this seems a little unfair anyway.
jugemscloud said:
The current system is just rewarding the people who are prepared to fake the highest score. As part of all the debunking they've told people how to cheat more effectively. It would seem sensible to make people turn up and prove they can achieve their scores, if you're going to give them the #1 spot.
looks like they are going for billy. they have stripped 3 of his scores from here.
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SUPERSPRINT
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He does say that he doesn’t even own a single arcade cabinet at home, so his use of MAME and subsequent submissions of scores from practicing using MAME does make sense. He kind of hung of himself really by admitting that he doesn’t own any arcade machines.
jugemscloud
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JB clicky special - http://donkeykongforum.com/index.php?topic=2055.msg33395%3Btopicseen#msg33395
I'm making a point of showing you how to do that next time i see you
that wasn't even a direct link it was a link to a Facebook redirect
jugemscloud2018-02-04 00:30:31
I'm making a point of showing you how to do that next time i see you
jugemscloud2018-02-04 00:30:31
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nearly there john, you linked to the redirect still. but the link does work
this is particularly telling i think - "The Twin Galaxies Editorial team reached out to the Twin Galaxies Administration and Adjudication team for clarification and an official word on the matter."
what sort of fractious entity are the pretending to be - one that gearing up for certain aspects of its function to be closed or solely attributable for blame so that other areas of the business remain unaffected i imagine.
still no mention of the broader implications regarding the inner coterie that surrounded day, mitchell and roberts...
this is particularly telling i think - "The Twin Galaxies Editorial team reached out to the Twin Galaxies Administration and Adjudication team for clarification and an official word on the matter."
what sort of fractious entity are the pretending to be - one that gearing up for certain aspects of its function to be closed or solely attributable for blame so that other areas of the business remain unaffected i imagine.
still no mention of the broader implications regarding the inner coterie that surrounded day, mitchell and roberts...