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i find it hard to believe large companies would peddle a narrative to make profit and the government would play along....surely not
Heres a couple of extracts from a recent ChatGPT session I had. People can come up to their own conclusions, but I find it interesting how the topics of profit, health and politics are closely linked to each other.

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The U.S. Paradox: Immense Wealth, Poor Health


Yes — the U.S. controls major economic, technological, and military resources. Yet:


  • It has shorter life expectancy than most developed nations
  • High rates of chronic disease (obesity, diabetes, cardiovascular illness)
  • A privatized, profit-driven healthcare system
  • Rising homelessness, mental illness, and inequality

🧠 Why this contradiction?​


a) Profit Over Public Good


  • Healthcare, food, housing, and education are industries, not rights.
  • The more problems persist, the more money is made in:
    • Pharmaceuticals
    • Insurance
    • Fast food
    • Emergency care
    • Prisons

b) Fragmented Governance


  • Federalism leads to policy inconsistency across states.
  • Public health is underfunded and politicized.
  • Preventive care and health equity aren’t prioritized.

c) Individualism Culture


  • The U.S. political culture often views welfare or universal care as “un-American.”
  • The result: systemic problems are treated as personal failures, not collective ones.

d) Capture by Special Interests


  • Lobbyists write policy (e.g., the food and pharma industries).
  • Campaign finance systems allow legalized corruption.
  • Media channels distract from systemic critiques.


Layer 1: Incompetence & Chaos — “Accidental”?

❌ Surface View:​

Poor planning, bad hires, ignorance, reactionary policymaking.

✅ Systemic View:​

  • The system doesn't reward competence. It rewards:
    • Loyalty over expertise
    • Charisma over knowledge
    • Narratives over results
  • Politicians and bureaucrats are often selected for their ability to win elections, raise funds, or appease interest groups — not solve problems.
So incompetence is not a bug — it’s an emergent feature of a selection process designed around incentives that exclude problem-solvers.

📈 Pattern Evidence:​

  • Poor leaders keep getting reelected or rotated upward.
  • Failed policies rarely get reversed; they get rebranded.
  • Real experts are often sidelined unless they serve political goals.

🪤 Layer 2: Systemic Bias — “Unintentional”?

❌ Surface View:​

Rules just happen to favor elites, corporations, banks, etc.

✅ Systemic View:​

  • The rule-making process is captured. Those with access shape:
    • Tax codes
    • Land use
    • Labor laws
    • Trade policies
  • The biases are embedded, because:
    • Legislators and regulators often come from the industries they oversee.
    • Revolving doors between public office and private firms align personal incentives with systemic ones.
The result: profit and protection for insiders, risk and chaos for everyone else.

📈 Pattern Evidence:​

  • 2008: Banks wreck the economy, get bailed out. Families don’t.
  • 2020: Billionaires' wealth surges during global crisis.
  • Tax havens persist despite decades of "reform."

🎭 Layer 3: Manufactured Problems — “Coincidence”?

❌ Surface View:​

Problems just arise, and leaders heroically respond.

✅ Systemic View:​

Some crises are:

  • Allowed to escalate (e.g. ignoring warnings, delaying response)
  • Deliberately under-addressed to preserve a narrative
  • Manufactured to rally public support, justify emergency powers, or divert attention
This doesn’t require a master conspiracy — it requires:

  • A system that rewards crises (because they enable funding, attention, centralization)
  • Media cycles that feed on drama
  • Voters who are polarized and distracted

📈 Pattern Evidence:​

  • War on Terror → Endless surveillance, private security windfall
  • Drug War → Mass incarceration, profit for prisons
  • Climate delay → Fossil subsidies continue as oceans rise

🧠 So, Is This Accident or Design?​

🔍 Analytically? It's Neither — It's Structural Emergence.

These outcomes emerge naturally from a system that:
  • Selects people who seek power, not service
  • Rewards crisis management, not prevention
  • Protects profit and status quo, not long-term equity
  • Discourages real accountability

🧲 Why Does the System Attract Personal-Gain Seekers?​

Because the system incentivizes personal gain:

  • High salaries, fame, post-office careers (think tank gigs, board seats, speaking fees)
  • No downside for failure — often rewards for it
  • Power to influence policy for private allies, donors, or future employers
So yes, analytically:

The system self-selects for self-interest, and filters out those who would change it.

🚨 And here's the key insight:​

Systems produce the results they are designed to produce.
If we keep getting chaos, corruption, and elite consolidation, it’s because those are rational outputs given the inputs.
Not a conspiracy.
Not an accident.
But an engineered outcome, driven by structure, incentive, and inertia.
 

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And if you want to read the full dialogue, here's the link:

https://chatgpt.com/c/68235b5c-7874-8007-85a3-169861ee2ace

Obviously AI isn't the be all and end all of all info in existence, but I find it a nice tool to use regarding different subjects. Sometimes it surprises me, and other times it's just like reading an automated spreadsheet that's biased one way or the other.

And whilst people at times tend to jokingly mock other peoples viewpoints, some topics are deadly serious and need further investigation. And at times, your quality of life depends on it, especially when it concerns maintaining and retaining your health as you get older.
 
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Since the publicity over Arlo adding chemicals to cows feed that may be detrimental to health we started to get our milk delivered from a local farm, we have full-fat and semi skimmed.

Apart from the taste - the farm stuff is almost completely different with a decent taste and much 'creamier' - it even looks different in the bottle and leaves a 'skin' at the top if it is not shaken well before use. And then it goes off after 6 days at most, whereas the shop bought milk used to last for weeks and often well past its 'best before' date.

The farm milk is how I remember getting it from a milkman when I was a kid, god knows what they put in the supermarket stuff to make it last so long and have no taste at all.
 

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Since the publicity over Arlo adding chemicals to cows feed that may be detrimental to health we started to get our milk delivered from a local farm, we have full-fat and semi skimmed.

Apart from the taste - the farm stuff is almost completely different with a decent taste and much 'creamier' - it even looks different in the bottle and leaves a 'skin' at the top if it is not shaken well before use. And then it goes off after 6 days at most, whereas the shop bought milk used to last for weeks and often well past its 'best before' date.

The farm milk is how I remember getting it from a milkman when I was a kid, god knows what they put in the supermarket stuff to make it last so long and have no taste at all.
Who does your local farmer sell his milk to, if not supermarkets? Presumably he doesn't have a dairy farm just to sell to locals. Or, does he only have a few cows? Interested to know as I hadn't heard about a problem with milk. I thought we learnt a lesson from mad cow disease. Seems not.
 

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Who does your local farmer sell his milk to, if not supermarkets? Presumably he doesn't have a dairy farm just to sell to locals. Or, does he only have a few cows? Interested to know as I hadn't heard about a problem with milk. I thought we learnt a lesson from mad cow disease. Seems not.
He only sells locally, although covers a large area
The area thing is they have started to add chemicals to dairy cattle feed to stop them farting so much as apparently that will save the planet. Supposedly the chemicals are safe but have been found to cause cancer and sterility in rodents…
 

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Yeah, adding chemicals to stop cows farting is insanity.

Since I found that out, I now buy the unhomogenised organic milk from Waitrose. It's more expensive, but the taste and texture is far superior.

It's always the first milk to sell out so that tells its own story. I've not seen any other supermarket sell unhomogenised milk.

There's a lot of fake 'homogenised' gold top milk in plastic bottles with gold lids, always surprises me that it costs more for milk that hasn't been messed with.
 

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He only sells locally, although covers a large area
The area thing is they have started to add chemicals to dairy cattle feed to stop them farting so much as apparently that will save the planet. Supposedly the chemicals are safe but have been found to cause cancer and sterility in rodents…
Wow. This world just gets more insane every day.

I still get my milk delivered in bottles. Don't know where it comes from, but it does go off after a while.
 

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Still in Bottles, that's awesome :) I mean anything that goes off after a short while has got to be better than the messed with stuff

My Brothers wife gets milk from Local Farm, she's pretty switched on with stuff these days. I have Local Farms that sell Raw Milk, Eggs, Honey

@PAC-MAN I've tried to tell her about it but she doesn't listen and then complains about her osteoarthritis, joint pains, back problems, she had shoulder pain the other year and had surgery to remove calcification on shoulder joint, I keep telling her i've read Magnesium can stop build up of Calcium but she hasn't taken it but religiously takes all the pills from the Doctors.

This is the problem, some say Dairy is good and others say not, it makes it very difficult to sort out the good info from the bad but testimonies like yourself speakers volumes (y)

Then you have the other Silent Killer

from Goole A.I.

The term "sugar the silent killer" highlights the insidious and often hidden way that excess sugar intake can contribute to various health problems. While the immediate sweetness of sugar is appealing, its long-term effects on the body can be detrimental, including increased risk of diabetes, heart disease, cognitive decline, and weight gain.

Here's a more detailed look at why sugar is considered a "silent killer":
1. Metabolic Disruptions and Insulin Resistance:

Rapid Blood Sugar Spikes:
Consuming sugar, especially refined sugar, causes rapid spikes in blood glucose levels, triggering the release of insulin to regulate blood sugar.

Insulin Resistance:
Over time, the body can become resistant to insulin's effects, leading to a buildup of glucose in the bloodstream.

Metabolic Syndrome:
This resistance is a key factor in metabolic syndrome, a cluster of conditions (high blood sugar, high blood pressure, unhealthy cholesterol levels, excess abdominal fat) that increase the risk of heart disease and stroke.

2. Weight Gain and Obesity:
Fat Storage:
The body stores excess sugar, especially in the form of fructose, as fat, particularly around the abdomen. I
ncreased Appetite:
Sugar can also stimulate the release of hormones that increase appetite and cravings.
3. Heart Disease:
Elevated Cholesterol:
Excessive sugar consumption can lead to increased levels of "bad" cholesterol (LDL) and triglycerides, raising the risk of heart disease.

Inflammation:
Sugar can also contribute to inflammation throughout the body, a factor that increases the risk of heart disease.

4. Cognitive Decline:

Brain Function: Studies suggest a connection between high sugar intake and impaired cognitive function, including memory problems and an increased risk of Alzheimer's disease.
5. Other Health Concerns:
Diabetes:
Insulin resistance can lead to pre-diabetes and eventually type 2 diabetes.

Fatty Liver Disease:
Excessive sugar can overload the liver, potentially leading to nonalcoholic fatty liver disease (NAFLD).

Addiction:
Some research suggests that sugar can be addictive, leading to cravings and a cycle of overconsumption.

6. The Hidden Nature of the Problem:

Insidious Nature:
The health effects of sugar are often gradual and may not be immediately obvious.
Lack of Awareness:
Many people may not realize the extent to which sugar is contributing to their health problems.
Taking Action:
Reduce Sugar Intake: Limiting added sugars in the diet is crucial for maintaining good health.

Choose Whole Foods: Opt for nutrient-dense foods over processed foods and sugary drinks.

Practice Portion Control: Be mindful of portion sizes and limit sugary treats.

By understanding the "silent killer" effects of sugar and making conscious choices about our food intake, we can take proactive steps to protect our health and well-being.
 

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So basically, all known foods are bad for us in some way. Lol
That's right. Food is poison. What you need is cosmic energy.

There used to be a woman on the lecture circuit whose grift was 'helping' people (mostly women) stay slim and healthy by avoiding food and relying on 'cosmic energy' instead. Of course, only she knew the secret techniques needed to access it, but was happy to share them for a fee.

I seem to remember she did pretty well out of it, until someone was asked to hang up her coat... and some chocolate biscuits fell out the pocket...
 

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I started saying couple of years back, take control of your health, not your doctors wealth

So I had a look on internet at the well know one
An apple a day keeps the doctor away and on Wikipedia there was an older saying
A variant of the proverb, "Eat an apple on going to bed, and you'll keep the doctor from earning his bread" was recorded as a Pembrokeshire saying in 1866

Then it has more interesting Info
A 2013 study using computer modelling compared eating apples with taking a common daily cholesterol-lowering drug to estimate risk of cardiovascular diseases.[8] The computer model estimated that eating an apple a day was generally comparable for people over age 50 years to using a statin drug to reduce low-density lipoprotein cholesterol, concluding that eating an apple a day "is able to match modern medicine and is likely to have fewer side effects," while having similar annual cost.[8]

A 2015 study found apple eaters "were more likely, in the crude analysis, to keep the doctor (and prescription medications) away." When they adjusted for "sociodemographic and health-related characteristics, however, the association was no longer statistically significant". The study also found that people who ate an apple a day used fewer prescription medications.[1]

soon as your in 50s the Doctors try getting you on Statins, other half has been on em years. Brothers wife was getting told she should go on em last year.
However there are numerous papers on the effects from Statins and as one site says

If Statins Save Lives, Why Is Heart Disease Still #1 Killer?

Recent one I saw was Statins & Irreversible Muscle Damage, ALS-Like Syndrome and Myositis

This is US Gov site
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2949584/
 

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EAT SHIT !!!! The opinions and recommendations of a million billion zillion trillions of flies and dung beetles worldwide , can’t possibly be wrong ! … can it ???
 

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Its a world of pain out there for people who have too or want to eat healthy !! I have Diverticular disease , and as said above , the books tell me one thing and the doctors another. For instance some books say ' Do NOT eat nuts ' oh ok I will stop then , Oh hang on Doctor says there is no evidence that that can cause a flare up. SO HOW THE FACK AM I SUPPOSE TO KNOW WHO IS RIGHT ! I cant find any books to help with hardly anything and the doctors have no clue when I ask them either.

I would love to eat healthy but with the way my days are its impossible , For the last 3 nights I have not been getting in until 7 - 7:30. I aint cooking at that time and bless her my wife is no cook and hates it. She also works nights so when I get in she is getting ready for work and has been asleep all day so she does not want to cook. I have a daughter who lives with us who is also no good at cooking so basically its me cooking or nothing ! So last 3 nights its been take aways and thats super unhealthy as we are all aware. I even moaned last night and said ' Lets just have a sandwich ' but i was over rules. Not only that but the prices have become , in my opinion , unreasonable so its costing a fortune.

The only grace of god is that I dont work weekends so I try my very best to do a Sunday dinner, And most nights I try to cook for us as much as I can.

I tend to eat shit at work as well , I hate sandwiches that have been prepared the night before ( I.E Tuna mayo with cucumber ) because when I come to eat it the bread is all sloppy and it makes me phsically sick ! So I end up getting microwave sausage and mash that rammed full of sugars and salt.

Call me sexist if you will but back in the 'Old Days' when female children where taught to cook properly by there mothers and woman did not work everyone ate well and it was all home cooked food. I am not saying Woman should stay at home and cook I am saying that we are all suffering because of society and the way its build now a days. Most families need 2 people in the house hold working else they cant afford to live , Well we cant anyways ! I would love nothing more than to be able to stay at home and be the homemaker and cook but thats impossible.

I do hope this does not come across as sexist and my point is explained and plain to see ! ( I am waiting for grief on this !)

ADDITIONAL :- As far as drink goes , Yet again , Back in the old days they drank only beer as water was contaminated. So I do the same !

Dave.
 
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@Bods

I guess you have to do what you think is best for you. I can assure you that if you do decide to make some changes, you will feel the benefits quickly. Especially when it comes to carbohydrate. You mention you enjoy a good Curry (fair play! Same here!!) go for wholegrain rice as it will not spike your blood Sugar like white rice. The same goes for Pasta etc. These subtle changes can be a huge difference in how your body releases Glycogen for use as energy.

If you want to know the health benefits of a certain food simply type in the name of the food followed by ' health benefits ' and you will get a load of website choices. I find 'Healthline' one of the most informative for nutrition.


I wish you well, stay healthy and the odd blast on one of your BMX's (Mongoose from memory) will do you the world of good - if you don't fall off of course! :ROFLMAO:
 

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Isnt milk just supposed to be for infants, does any other species on the planet continue to consume milk once they've grown up?
 
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Apologies Dave for the out of context edit here but it made me smile when I picked this sentence of quote …..seems like lots of flies are not alone ???


It’s a world of pain out there
(Big deleted edit)

The only grace of god is that I dont work weekends so I try my very best to do a Sunday dinner, And most nights I try to cook for us as much as I can.
(We tend to eat a good meal at teatime)

(Smile prompt)

“”””I tend to ‘eat shit’ at work as well , “”””
I hate sandwiches that have been prepared the night before ( I.E Tuna mayo with cucumber ) because when I come to eat it the bread is all sloppy and it makes me phsically sick ! So I end up getting microwave sausage and mash that rammed full of sugars and salt.

Dave.

We had just now finished our lunchtime snack - tuna mayo sandwiches & cordial drink! But freshly prepared !
Strange things happen at ‘off topic’ here .
 

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All the above comments are so true to life . Now, and we are taken in by the power of advertising ? I always laugh at the guy who recommends Sun life policies … he says” so good I have a couple of those” . Is he expecting to die twice or regretting he didn’t choose the right one first time round? Alway look at the small print on the bottom of the screen , it often makes rubbish of the scripted verbal persuasion in the entertaining part of the adverts , foods are no exception….. in Tesco I get hypnotised by the Quorn vegan/vegetarian boxed ready meal pictures on the boxes … they always seem to look more mouthwatering with slight colour enhancing or something? Compared to the regular Birds Eye product

Back in the 50s & 60s we never needed the likes of Omega3 , polyunsaturates , or hyaluronic acid …. Etc . But we probably did get a dose of sodium glutamate and E numbers before they had to declare them on the label ?
 

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@Bods

I guess you have to do what you think is best for you. I can assure you that if you do decide to make some changes, you will feel the benefits quickly. Especially when it comes to carbohydrate. You mention you enjoy a good Curry (fair play! Same here!!) go for wholegrain rice as it will not spike your blood Sugar like white rice. The same goes for Pasta etc. These subtle changes can be a huge difference in how your body releases Glycogen for use as energy.

If you want to know the health benefits of a certain food simply type in the name of the food followed by ' health benefits ' and you will get a load of website choices. I find 'Healthline' one of the most informative for nutrition.


I wish you well, stay healthy and the odd blast on one of your BMX's (Mongoose from memory) will do you the world of good - if you don't fall off of course! :ROFLMAO:

I have never liked much healthy food but could get away with it years ago so it's difficult what I can eat and that annoys me with good lady as she likes pretty much everything but eats rubbish. we did get out on the bikes quite a few years back but haven't done but should do

The crazy thing is I'll get something that's quick to chuck in oven and say don't have time to prepare a decent meal yet spend hours of day on internet or phone, so yes I had time to get a proper meal
I'm going to have to dedicate some time to eating properly and getting some exercise, just got a crappy cold at the minute so haven't done much this week

Some great advice, thank you :)
 

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Its a world of pain out there for people who have too or want to eat healthy !! I have Diverticular disease , and as said above , the books tell me one thing and the doctors another. For instance some books say ' Do NOT eat nuts ' oh ok I will stop then , Oh hang on Doctor says there is no evidence that that can cause a flare up. SO HOW THE FACK AM I SUPPOSE TO KNOW WHO IS RIGHT ! I cant find any books to help with hardly anything and the doctors have no clue when I ask them either.

I would love to eat healthy but with the way my days are its impossible , For the last 3 nights I have not been getting in until 7 - 7:30. I aint cooking at that time and bless her my wife is no cook and hates it. She also works nights so when I get in she is getting ready for work and has been asleep all day so she does not want to cook. I have a daughter who lives with us who is also no good at cooking so basically its me cooking or nothing ! So last 3 nights its been take aways and thats super unhealthy as we are all aware. I even moaned last night and said ' Lets just have a sandwich ' but i was over rules. Not only that but the prices have become , in my opinion , unreasonable so its costing a fortune.

The only grace of god is that I dont work weekends so I try my very best to do a Sunday dinner, And most nights I try to cook for us as much as I can.

I tend to eat shit at work as well , I hate sandwiches that have been prepared the night before ( I.E Tuna mayo with cucumber ) because when I come to eat it the bread is all sloppy and it makes me phsically sick ! So I end up getting microwave sausage and mash that rammed full of sugars and salt.

Call me sexist if you will but back in the 'Old Days' when female children where taught to cook properly by there mothers and woman did not work everyone ate well and it was all home cooked food. I am not saying Woman should stay at home and cook I am saying that we are all suffering because of society and the way its build now a days. Most families need 2 people in the house hold working else they cant afford to live , Well we cant anyways ! I would love nothing more than to be able to stay at home and be the homemaker and cook but thats impossible.

I do hope this does not come across as sexist and my point is explained and plain to see ! ( I am waiting for grief on this !)

ADDITIONAL :- As far as drink goes , Yet again , Back in the old days they drank only beer as water was contaminated. So I do the same !

Dave.

They create a mindfield for us with all the information which has you going around in circles, below might be worth a look

https://www.drmyhill.co.uk/wiki/Diverticulitis_-_a_cause_of_lower_abdominal_pain

Totally agree on the 'Old Days' nothing sexist about it
Looking after your own children vs chucking em in places, doesn't matter which parent but one being at home looking after them and cooking decent meals was a massive benefit to everyone and health

To me younger people should save there money (hard with government rinsing you for everything I know) buy a house soon as they can and get it paid off asap, stuff the expensive clothes, holidays, meals out etc and then your financially sorted you can have family and will only need one of you working

The explosion of takeaways is just insane and people having it all delivered now is crazy, thanks covid the gift that keeps on giving

Last bowl of Porridge I had with Honey was lovely and I like the sound of Sourdough bread, or making your own linseed based bread
Again most of the bread is no good, so yes you could take sandwiches with you but what bread do you have, makes it difficult in daytime if working
 
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