Prices in the For Sale section

[Jodo]

Hi all,

Not really a suggestion but more a question to the Admins please.

Will we ever see a ruling implemented in the For Sale section where the seller *must* state a price that the item can be purchased for? Personally, I find it really frustrating to see great descriptions and good pictures but then......no price. The seller clearly has a figure in mind that will 'seal the deal', (and if they don't, then that's what the valuations section is for) and I can't believe there isn't enough collective knowledge and expertise on here to price pretty much anything put forward.

Not listing a price could suggest the seller is holding out for as much as they can get and there will be those members that argue equally 'why not?' .....but then forum prices are not Ebay prices and its generally accepted (I think?) that playing members off against each other is not the done thing. I feel that it encourages bidding wars behind the scenes and actually pushes prices up. The collective also loses the value of seeing how much an item sold for; the point of reference is lost, as the whole process has been conducted behind closed doors. This means that when the same or similar item comes up for sale in future, the process of valuations starts all over again.

I understand that some members sell on behalf of other parties but there is no reason why prices cannot be predetermined; collectors have the means, whether themselves or through others on here to ascertain the value of an item before listing it; who that item belongs to is irrelevant, as long as they are happy with the valuation given and want to therefore go ahead with selling the item.

Stating a price gives a fair playing field, gives transparency and informs future sales threads.

**This thread is not aimed at any member in particular and is not informed by any transaction I have personally conducted with members of this site. I didn't take those pictures of Alpha1 working out at the gym and you can't prove anything**

 

[guddler]

I didn't take those pictures of Alpha1 working out at the gym and you can't prove anything

Re the rest: We'll discuss it I guess but IMO (and only my opinion), I'd say it's unlikely. We want as few rules as possible and whilst I also don't overly like 'offers', I prefer a price and then I decide if I want to pay that or not, I'm also not keen really on ruling that you have to have one, or not.

Will see what the other mods / admins think.

 

[trm]

I'm with Gudd on this one. I don't like lots of rules, and I like the fact that we seem to be able to get by with little more than "don't be a dick".

The flip side of this is that if someone posts a FS and you message an offer, they're not a dick about your suggestion if they think it's too low.

But I'm always open* to input so if you feel super strongly about this then convince us.

* Jodo, not the open that you're hoping for sadly

 

[cools]

Every time I see "offers" I automatically think the seller is going to be a pain to deal with, based on bad experiences too numerous to count. So I no longer bother unless its someone I've dealt with previously.

I keep mulling over setting up a completely free arcade auction site, but I figure policing it would be too difficult.

 

[IDCHAPPY]

I like to see prices or at least an offers around to give you a rough idea what your needing to find

 

[strykr]

I can understand that people want to get as much cash as possible, but like the idea that across the board sales over time give a good indication to existing and new members getting into the scene what the general price of an item is in the first place. If you hang around the forums long enough you get an idea for how much a minty one is, an average one, and a fixer upper etc.

On a personal note it gives us members who
arent perhaps "minted" a chance to buy items without being gazumped by
the heavy hitters. A few cabs ive bought, on other forums, the seller
has informed me that just after I bought it, people have still waded in
with massive offers, fortunately the people I have dealt with have all
kept there word and it becomes a first come first served thing, which
seems to be a fair way of doing it to me.

 

[IDCHAPPY]

It for me also avoids lowballing, I hate lowballers and thus wouldn't like to lowball anyone else

 

[strykr]

It for me also avoids lowballing, I hate lowballers and thus wouldn't like to lowball anyone else

pm'd £40 and a packet of skips for your egret 2

 

[IDCHAPPY]

It for me also avoids lowballing, I hate lowballers and thus wouldn't like to lowball anyone else

pm'd £40 and a packet of skips for your egret 2

Where's that ban button

 

[muddymusic]

I must admit when I see 'offers' I'm inclined to pass for a number of reasons.

To me it feels like an attempt to get as much cash out of someone as possible, or create a bidding war - either way all the actual prices are kept hidden from the rest of the community.

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'This rare cab for sale. Offers'

- £100?
No, are you taking the piss?
-Ok, £200?
Not a chance.
-Err £300 then?
Look, just f*ck off.
-Well what did you want?
At least a grand.
Ok £1000 then?
-Done
----------

Why not name £1000 as the price in the first place? If it's too much then someone will make an offer of what they see is fair anyway, but at least it gives buyers an idea of the price.

The other scenario I see happening is:
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'This rare cab for sale. Offers'

-Hi I've just joined today, never owned a cab before and have no idea of values, but my god do I want that! Will you take £2500 cash and I'll pick it up today?

Yep sold omg I'll take that (rubs hands with glee).
----------

Perhaps I'm being a little negative about it, but with so many people out there trying to make a quick buck out of collectors these days it's difficult not to be cynical, at least when prices are public everyone knows where they stand and the risks of being ripped off are far reduced - especially with newer members who have no idea of the value of things.

 

[Ordyne]

I think having to state a price isnt a bad thing, your selling it.. work out what you want for it!

 

[tb lilley]

No prices can be irritating, but not half as irritating as a set of inflexible rules that have to be moderated.

It's a fairly depressing view that we need protecting. Offer what something is honestly worth to you and you can't go far wrong. Don't deal with difficult people. Those are my rules and it falls to me to enforce them. I'm quite happy with that.

 

[forcefulfil]

If your selling gear from an Op thats a pain in the arse,like i have been,its really hard work
especially when they only remember paying £2800 for a KI2 cab in the early 90,s

BUT due to the fact im trying to get them back in the community this has been the ONLY way around him.

its ME that has all the pain and hassle of constant contact/numerous text messages,and i suppose its a pain to see/read for some.but its the only way i have managed to get stuff outta there,once 5 people have offered like £100 he then seems to realise its not worth £1000 after all.and the end/sale price has always been produced just to show everyone what it sold for.

but agareed if your selling an item of yours,it is a little easier to read a price,and gives a good idea of what there going for,i dont like price fishing either

i also dont like lots of rules and heavily moderated forums.

forcefulfil2013-07-11 09:55:43

 

[P-Man]

I disagree with guddler and trm.

Maybe we should take a vote on this?

People that say 'offers' are usually looking for the most possible money for their item, and they will get shirty if you make n offer that they dont like, without outwardly ever indicating where they stand.

I say we have a poll/vote on it so that ukvac members can indicate what they feel we should do, because right now it seems that the 'no rules' makers/enforcers have a rule that we shouldn't have a rule on this matter

P-Man2013-07-11 10:30:57

 

[Alpha1]

I am happy with a vote on setting a price!

I'll take it to the Moderator section and we'll give an update in the next 48 hours.

I think in some circumstances like Phils we need to be clear not everything is always as clear cut.

I also never want to have to restrict it so much that we have forum police telling members off because someone made an offer for something in the valuations section and it was sold prior to getting to the For Sale section.

Update soon guys, promise

 

[bonehead]

I agree with Alpha.

We need some rules but not many as we all like free speach which is why i joined this forum.

Keep up the good work.

Steve

 

[P-Man]

I agree with Oll..

bulk deals off of ops and stuff you need offers, but the general rule should be you have to list with a price. Like lot of people have said, if someone says 'offers' i dont often respond because it always ends up in PM ping-pong that ultimately goes nowhere, and the 'seller' feels aggrieved that you're not offering what they want. So in order to perpetuate good will and trading standards, having prices is quite simple.

I hope the 'valuations' thread doesn't turn into a 'offers' section, not what it is intended for..

 

[cools]

I hope the 'valuations' thread doesn't turn into a 'offers' section, not what it is intended for..

It will.

 

[P-Man]

It will.

So how do you deal with that on AO ? do you see a solution?

 

[trm]

Surely if people won't trade with anyone who posts "offers?" then this will self-select itself out of existence? I don't recall seeing many requests for offers apart from the recent op clearance and that has to be run that way.

It often seems like a good idea to introduce a rule for something, especially when it's for something you want. But then another rule comes along, and another.

If you don't like trades with offers, don't engage in them.