K1ngarth3r
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So the car is scrapped but everything else is saved?
mysticmonk
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Alpha1 said:
That sounds outrageously stupid.
Even if there was a collective effort to pool a bit of money together to buy it and at the very least store it for now.
Instead...
1) the machine is literally going to be destroyed
2) the pcb is then rendered useless
3) the information from the useless pcb won't be shared
4) a few mickey mouse pieces of a currently-complete machine will be given to a crowd who, from this thread, don't seem to give a sh*te, in order to show off a machine that was destroyed for no good reason.
I don't know the details, but the above is what I'm getting from this thread. The whole thing sounds so stupid you'd have to wonder if there's more to this, whether it's spite or secret deals or whatever. Madness.
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Alpha1 said:
That really is pathetic.
It sounds to me like one of those gamers from say, Nintendo Age (I use them as an example as that site is now closed down) who would get rare games or prototypes for the NES and basically hold them hostage. "I will not dump the ROM" "I will not sell" it has been a common thing in the past. It's some sort of power trip or small d**k syndrome some people seem to possess.
mysticmonk said:
Yep you seem to have it nailed quite nicely there.
What on earth is the point in putting some half assed art work up at a museum? To see the remains of what was and could still of been a complete machine in working order? It's absolutely pointless. That's some 'museum' they have got there.
All it boils down to is a power trip in my opinion. I bet who ever got their hands on it are looking at this very thread and reading it getting a kick from the fact we are annoyed as a very rare classic arcade machine is going to be lost for the sake of nothing. Some people just seem to work that way.
I've noticed no mention of the actual car... Where has that ended up?
I would keep an eye open on MX-5 forums, particularly the for sale threads. It would not surprise me if the car gets sold to an MX-5 enthusiast. The RR FS machine which was once in the London Trocadero had it's MX-5 taken out during the scrapping process and it was bought and converted into a track car. Don't be surprised if it's not at the museum. I noticed someone mentioning there was a hood spotted but that would just be the spare one. They had 2 hoods and also the passenger door was replaced although the original door was not kept. All changed due to vandalism.
On another little note... if you are reading this, whoever owns it now... Just know that those precious PCB's you are holding onto... they hate vibration, they hate being stored on not turned on for long periods of time, shock to the casings can cause them to get stuck inside the shell and bend thus damaging the traces and via's as the entire board sets via's are absolutely crap and the traces are stupidly thin. You will never get them back into the wooden runners once they bend inside, they fail for a past time and once they do it's game over as there is no support for System 22 anymore. Take this as advice or a warning... however you wish but eventually I can see you being left with one or two very large paper weights... one of those boards failed already and had to be sent to Namco London for repair. It's only a matter of time till the other two go as well it only takes one to go and you are stuffed.
If all that is being said really is your plan, enjoy it i guess. I just think it's really, really pathetic to ruin a perfectly working machine especially one so rare. I'm not even mad I just think its funny what some people do. At least my records will likely never be broken, i guess?
drokz2021-08-22 23:05:30
Alpha1 said:
Apparently the same guy has been saying completely different stories at the same time, so god knows what he's playing at and where the truth currently stands - I'll be disappointed but not surprised if it does turn out that he scrapped the lot of it though. Mental health issues or what? Very sad.
If those plastics do turn up in NVM, I wonder what the plaque beside them will say for the disinterested kids to briefly observe? Probably not that they were too half-arsed to actually take the entire thing, and instead likely facilitated its demise... real arcade preservation right there.
Tedward2021-08-22 22:57:45
John Bennett
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People have contacted the owner and I’ve contacted the removals firm and as of a few days ago, we’re told it’s being restored to go to the museum.
Trust me, it’s as infuriating as it is upsetting. I actually was on a downer for a few days when I heard of the story, I’d spent so long hoping to emulate and restore this.
Trust me, it’s as infuriating as it is upsetting. I actually was on a downer for a few days when I heard of the story, I’d spent so long hoping to emulate and restore this.
Who said it was being restored? Removal company or owner? I wouldn't take anything the removal company said as they would be just saying what the owner told them at the time it was being removed.
I'm sorry but with the pictures I have and the words the owner told me I wouldn't hold out much hope.Alpha12021-08-23 08:31:44
I'm sorry but with the pictures I have and the words the owner told me I wouldn't hold out much hope.Alpha12021-08-23 08:31:44
John Bennett
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It was both I believe (I'll have to double check, but I think someone did speak to the raider)
Oh I'm not holding out any hope, it was more that the inconsistency in messaging through this is staggering, so it repeatedly leads you to false hope...
I should say we should applaud your (Alpha1) efforts to try to turn this around
. It did at one point seem like we could've saved it
The game code is about 8 chips away from saveable though, which also makes it maddening. I have photos and instructions of those that are needed (they mostly require desoldering, but it shouldnt be too hard to do and won't damage anything).
Oh I'm not holding out any hope, it was more that the inconsistency in messaging through this is staggering, so it repeatedly leads you to false hope...
I should say we should applaud your (Alpha1) efforts to try to turn this around
The game code is about 8 chips away from saveable though, which also makes it maddening. I have photos and instructions of those that are needed (they mostly require desoldering, but it shouldnt be too hard to do and won't damage anything).
K1ngarth3r
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Alpha1 said:
If possible, can you post the pictures you have.
K1ngarth3r2021-08-23 09:55:08
This whole thing is absolutely shocking. Quite how something can go from playable on site, to sent for scrap even after 5 figures have been offered for it is beyond me.
Then the final kick in the nuts to pull the pcb stack and say nobody is getting their hands on it. Some f*cked up stuff right there.
Then the final kick in the nuts to pull the pcb stack and say nobody is getting their hands on it. Some f*cked up stuff right there.
John Bennett
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Bods said:Why did they use a boring old MX-5 anyway
Would of liked to see one that resembles the car in game, what was it based on Mitsubishi or something
An FTO? Ugh, never thought of that, but I see where you’re coming from.
MX-5 please
They did change the car graphics for Full Scale to be fair.
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Smraedis said:
Yep, especially Namco System 22 boards.. they are utter crap the traces and via's are prone to failure. The casings the actual PCB is sat in are deceiving making it appear very tough but actually its the shocks and vibrations from those casings that actually cause a lot of damage with the PCB just sat inside resting on bits of wood.
Whoever the guy is, is a complete idiot.
muddymusic said:
Couldn't put it any better myself. Absolutely ridiculous, soul destroying, selfish idiocy.
John Bennett
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Interesting. Folk had messaged them, but I guess Twitter seems to have the effect.
You don’t decline something like this without helping to arrange another home.
You don’t decline something like this without helping to arrange another home.
K1ngarth3r
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I'm still no wiser from reading that twitter post.
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God damn it, not only are people using my pictures without permission but they are now setting me on fire too!!
No, back on a serious note... That message on Twitter sounds like the nail in the coffin to me.
To me that sounds like "Yes we were interested but the idiot who got it had no idea how to store it and now its water damaged and we are no longer interested" That on top of him holding the PCB's ransom so they can't even run the thing... I can see why.
Either that or he's saying that because now the museum aren't interested so he's got no where else to put the rest of it apart from in the skip he's keeping all the easy bits to keep.
I actually applaud the leisure company who owned the machine.. they turned down my offer of 5 figures i think in the interest of preservation which is actually amazing BUT, look how it's turned out!
Says it all... This is such a sad story now and I don't see anyway they can proceed if the museum doesn't want it which is how it seems to me.
That machine was collected in June from what i understand and its been outside ever since.. If rain has got to it then it will be ruined. All the lights, wiring up to the projectors, the in car wiring for audio and controls...
It's gone from a fully working machine to a restore job without a home now.
Criminal... I don't have the words anymore.
drokz2021-08-24 10:34:07
No, back on a serious note... That message on Twitter sounds like the nail in the coffin to me.
To me that sounds like "Yes we were interested but the idiot who got it had no idea how to store it and now its water damaged and we are no longer interested" That on top of him holding the PCB's ransom so they can't even run the thing... I can see why.
Either that or he's saying that because now the museum aren't interested so he's got no where else to put the rest of it apart from in the skip he's keeping all the easy bits to keep.
I actually applaud the leisure company who owned the machine.. they turned down my offer of 5 figures i think in the interest of preservation which is actually amazing BUT, look how it's turned out!
Says it all... This is such a sad story now and I don't see anyway they can proceed if the museum doesn't want it which is how it seems to me.
That machine was collected in June from what i understand and its been outside ever since.. If rain has got to it then it will be ruined. All the lights, wiring up to the projectors, the in car wiring for audio and controls...
It's gone from a fully working machine to a restore job without a home now.
Criminal... I don't have the words anymore.
drokz2021-08-24 10:34:07
K1ngarth3r
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Even if it's been left outside since June, I don't think it would be beyond saving.
Someone just needs to go and get it and store it. Unless there is a reason why that cannot happen?
Someone just needs to go and get it and store it. Unless there is a reason why that cannot happen?