The price of outrun and others thread

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My wife keeps reminding me it's all about how much people are prepared to pay for something they really really want.

I had wanted a Defender for over 30 years and I got to the point when I didnt care how much it cost me (just over 2k).

The same with my Centipede cabaret, I wanted it so badly I didn't care it cost me in all inc board repairs/servicing around £1100!

I guess people feel the same about other titles such as Outrun/star wars etc etc

I'm now after an Asteroids, Paperboy, Space invaders etc and I know they will all cost me a small fortune to buy.

At the end if the day if we are happy with our purchases that's all that matters isn't it?Rasputin2019-06-03 16:35:19
 

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My wife keeps reminding me it's all about how much people are prepared to pay for something they really really want.

I had wanted a Defender for over 30 years and I got to the point when I didnt care how much it cost me (just over 2k).

The same with my Centipede caberat, I wanted it so badly I didn't care it cost me in all inc board repairs/servicing around £1100!

I guess people feel the same about other titles such as Outrun/star wars etc etc

I'm now after an Asteroids, Paperboy, Space invaders etc and I know they will all cost me a small fortune to buy.

At the end if the day if we are happy with our purchases that's all that matters isn't it?

Well said - very true
 

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Funny enough my other half keeps saying the same to me, worth what someone will pay and it's true

When people on see a machine end at a high price on ebay and no others are listed for sale straight away tells you most people that own one have no interest in selling theirs even if its 2k, auction ending on ebay also means nothing unless you have some proof it's paid for

If a UK Outrun sold for more money I would understand, would want UK cab if buying upright also if poss so would pay higher, specially when outruns coming up in USA quite often I really don't know what all the fuss is about over one USA cab

Not like you need an outrun cab to play it, if you have a boardset you can use a Turbo Outrun cab, Upright or Sitdown which is the smallest Cockpit driving cab you can get, anyone would have space for that. any driving machine could be altered to play Outrun with original PCB, only 5k Pots for wheel, pedals. that Sitdown outrun bootleg sold very cheap, could look decent with some work. only thing you would miss is the wheel shaking, the Midi only has a solenoid that knocks on steering shaft which I find more annoying than enhancement, mind you I don't like silly playstation rumble pads, I thought it played fine in mame now anyway, does for me

when I started looking, Outrun Full Size Uprights were £1000, then there was a real drop off in people wanting them, don't know what the reason was for that? can only think a few had spare cash at the time and with Emulators bringing back all the memories like it did for me, that's what started it all there was an early boost in popularity, then I suppose many of this generation hadn't got the money, started family's, buying House or buying bigger house etc and or that initial interest dropped as peoples memories weren't quite as they remembered, found it was a bit of a wim and they didn't play it as much as they thought, also when they go wrong many won't know what to do so time to sell, but it seriously dropped on all machines, Space Invaders and the like that were also £1000+ were down to a few hundred

From the questions I've had about star wars machines, they have wanted one for a good while but not been in the position to buy one, space for them.... now they have space and money but non for sale

Was telling guy at work the other year about my machines as he was same age, few weeks later he said his mate wants a arcade machine, guess what he was after... yep Outrun

There was a count years back on J+ what machines everyone had, outrun was the No1 collected game then

Non of us found cab's straight away most of the time, I've had to wait years to get lots of my machines, then only got ones that bought beat up or converted ones

Took Nick years to get his Space Harrier, constant pestering Arcades with them, people trying to con him with a non existent machines advertised on ebay, wanted him to pay up front and all that, If you searched for Outrun Deluxe or Space Harrier, all you used to see was Wanted Space Harrier or Outrun contact Nick....

That's how I got talking to him and ended up on here, I was constantly Searching for Outrun Deluxe, took me years to get one, missed a few on ebay due to High prices £2000, bargain BIN ones for £150, then after I buy one and he gets Space Harrier from France, all that time there is both cabs in cornwall outside covered up

Op Wolf, they only came up for sale once in a while, probably wouldn't see one for 2 years, then there would be 3 on ebay in 3 months, 720 machines well 2 or 3 for sale in UK in 18 years I've seen, most had to get ones from USA

If it wasn't for Alpha1, Ravage and other guys here you wouldn't see half the machines in UK we have now, bringing cabs from other places in Europe is only reason we have a lot of the ones we own so now you can buy cabs from USA every week, ones we had no chance of buying when I started, you lot are pretty lucky I would say, huge selection of cabs your being offered now that you never had in UK, before this it was again down to the main players here that I have Double Dragon and Kung Fu Master, as they were ones shipped from USA years back

Sometimes I might say something stupid here, but I do feel for others that want a certain machine and can't find them or can't afford them, got no issue with anyone paying 2k or 3k for an Outrun if that's what there happy to pay to own one and can afford it then fair play but it's not impossible to get one with 3 for sale in last week can't be that hard to get one really can it?

Know what it's like craving for years to get an arcade machine or hi-fi stuff. Being here and everyone discussing cabs, members showing off what they have, what they just bought makes you want something even more, you probably feel left out if you haven't been able to buy what you want, even with all my collection, kinda still feel a bit left out not being able to buy another machine as I've no space left myself and I shouldn't as I've got enough work on what I have to keep me going for next 10 years, so definitely no more for me and now just getting on with all the project machines I have

Don't get me wrong, I'm honoured to own them but then once you get it and never use it or play on it for months, you do wonder why you made such a fuss to get it and question why you bought it but can't bring myself to sell it and I've only really bought machines I really wanted

Then you have the other issues like when it goes wrong! nothing worse than having such big items and they don't work, again another bizzare thing is when it doesn't work, your disappointed you can't play it, even though you hardly played when it was working, suppose it's good to know you can play anytime if it's in working order.

If you want something really bad and you can't buy it or afford the prices, there is always the option to make it if you have the skills, people out there making Star Wars Cockpit machines from scratch so anything possible, been some great self built machines on here
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Also there are still some Bargain machines out there
 

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The homemade machines just don’t do it for me at all
I would rather have nothing
I had a mame cab playing drivers like outrun ,Chase hq etc
Outri. never got played ,it was just so unresponsive ,i couldn’t believe the difference when I got a proper outrun
Its just a different game to play ,I’ve never bought into the attitude that mame or even bootleg pcbs are no good ,that everything has to be stamped Sega or something ,a good example being shinobi in the arcade .i always played the beta version bootleg and that’s what I own now ,I’ve no interest in hunting down an original
Playing the likes of Chase hq on the mame cab was ok with me ,but outrun never again will I do such a thing
It would be good to hear the ending of he outrun that sold story ,I hope the sale all goes well ,I’m not overly happy about outrun being a 2 k cab along with paperboy starwars and some others now
Maybe swappings the way forward ,now who wants my outrun for a paperboy or starwars ?
No one ? Didn’t think so
 

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When people say, you can get emulation or use a Turbo Outrun to play an Outrun board - that's completely not the point. People want to buy the original machine. You wouldn't buy a Ford Capri and stick a Ferrari engine in it. People want the machine, the way it looks, the aesthetic value, the all original actual thing.

I don't think playing or driving the thing is the point. Most classic cars sit in the garage all year round and are possibly driven to classic car days or taken out once in the summer every year. But the owners are part of a club and they pop in to swoon over their car and know that they own it and can talk about it and tell people about it.
 

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I agree, but there is a difference with games in that they stay relevant due to re-releases. I visited a friend in Croatia last weekend and her 3 year old son had made his own Pacman maze out of cardboard and characters out of plastic. He played with it for ages.

Same goes for old movies and music, they can be reinvented.

So the guy playing Street Fighter 7 one day might feel it cool to go back to where it all began.

Every year these things get rarer and harder to find so it is supply and demand.

I am always interested to see when LCD becomes the norm. My biggest problem is with monitors but I don't want to go LCD even though it would make life so much easier.....and lighter.
 

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dlightbulb said:
When people say, you can get emulation or use a Turbo Outrun to play an Outrun board - that's completely not the point. People want to buy the original machine. You wouldn't buy a Ford Capri and stick a Ferrari engine in it. People want the machine, the way it looks, the aesthetic value, the all original actual thing.

I don't think playing or driving the thing is the point. Most classic cars sit in the garage all year round and are possibly driven to classic car days or taken out once in the summer every year. But the owners are part of a club and they pop in to swoon over their car and know that they own it and can talk about it and tell people about it.

I wouldn’t say no to a Capri with a Ferrari engine .imagine the drifting and donuts in that thing
 

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dlightbulb said:
When people say, you can get emulation or use a Turbo Outrun to play an Outrun board - that's completely not the point. People want to buy the original machine. You wouldn't buy a Ford Capri and stick a Ferrari engine in it. People want the machine, the way it looks, the aesthetic value, the all original actual thing.

I don't think playing or driving the thing is the point. Most classic cars sit in the garage all year round and are possibly driven to classic car days or taken out once in the summer every year. But the owners are part of a club and they pop in to swoon over their car and know that they own it and can talk about it and tell people about it.

I wouldn’t say no to a Capri with a Ferrari engine .imagine the drifting and donuts in that thing

Hahaha! True - that would be pretty awesome
 

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dlightbulb said:
Body pop said:
dlightbulb said:
When people say, you can get emulation or use a Turbo Outrun to play an Outrun board - that's completely not the point. People want to buy the original machine. You wouldn't buy a Ford Capri and stick a Ferrari engine in it. People want the machine, the way it looks, the aesthetic value, the all original actual thing.

I don't think playing or driving the thing is the point. Most classic cars sit in the garage all year round and are possibly driven to classic car days or taken out once in the summer every year. But the owners are part of a club and they pop in to swoon over their car and know that they own it and can talk about it and tell people about it.

I wouldn’t say no to a Capri with a Ferrari engine .imagine the drifting and donuts in that thing

Hahaha! True - that would be pretty awesome

My neighbour (before I moved) stuck a small block chevy 5.7 litre in his capri. Couldn't keep it in a straight line. Total plank. Turned a crap car into a really crap car.
 

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A crap car into a really crap car .haha that tickled me there

Who wants to go in a straight line in a rwd car
I still dream of owning a lotus sunbeam for the same reasons
 

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Ropi Jo said:
dlightbulb said:
Body pop said:
dlightbulb said:
When people say, you can get emulation or use a Turbo Outrun to play an Outrun board - that's completely not the point. People want to buy the original machine. You wouldn't buy a Ford Capri and stick a Ferrari engine in it. People want the machine, the way it looks, the aesthetic value, the all original actual thing.

I don't think playing or driving the thing is the point. Most classic cars sit in the garage all year round and are possibly driven to classic car days or taken out once in the summer every year. But the owners are part of a club and they pop in to swoon over their car and know that they own it and can talk about it and tell people about it.

I wouldn’t say no to a Capri with a Ferrari engine .imagine the drifting and donuts in that thing

Hahaha! True - that would be pretty awesome

My neighbour (before I moved) stuck a small block chevy 5.7 litre in his capri. Couldn't keep it in a straight line. Total plank. Turned a crap car into a really crap car.

That sounds all kinds of fantastic
 

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I think a better comparison would be the, There are plenty of replica Ferrari's, Lamborghinis, Cobra's, Ford GT's, Lancia Stratos etc and many take those to show off at events and I'm sure most would sooner have the real thing but they don't have the money to buy them, so it's the next best thing

Difference is, you have to make a replica car to be able to drive it, you can play an old Arcade game on pretty much any computer, tablet, phone. When we were in the Arcades years ago, I didn't care really what it looked like, it was what was on the screen that mattered, certainly didn't stand watching the Shinobi Demo thinking, wow that's some nice chipboard, wonder what make the joysticks are, has it got any original artwork on the sides, all I was interested in was Graphics on the bonus stage throwing Ninja Stars
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Yeah the Sega Deluxe cabs, that's different as they were amazing looking things

Sure, I agree lots will want an original outrun machine and I totally understand why, even I was still tempted to get Upright because that's what I played it on when it was first out so that's my memories of it, found using the brake wasn't easy on them so remember using gears to slow down more but just because you then have an original machine doesn't mean you'll play it any more than on mame and if you don't have 1-2k there are other options. along with what Colin has been doing and if you want to play it running original hardware then there are options for that also

All depends what is most important, playing the game itself or having an original machine to look at and impress your friends, if both are important then get an original cab

Was happy myself playing it on PC with wheel/Pedals but main reasons back then for wanting original machine and hardware, emulators for outrun weren't perfect, the gears you couldn't use properly because the PC wheels had return to centre type, The system16 emu it ran on was pretty good other than the Shifting issues and like some board faults, it has some of the sounds missing, someone even added Force Feedback, I'd forgot after 14 years that the wheel shook side to side but to have that added was still amazing to have feedback when you crashed

now the emulation of it is almost perfect.

If you have have issues running outrun on a pc with wheel and pedals, look at the interface your using as the setup I've tried it with recent that uses 5k pots, outrun is as good as real machine, no issues with it at all I can see

Same with Sega Rally, I had Twin machine, played it for a while, better fun when mates round and two are playing, but didn't take long before your completed the courses, then I tried on Emulator and thought wow, this plays pretty much perfect so time to sell the Twin, get Twin sega driving cabs, Empty ones that is, put in PC and Use original pedals, happs mech with feedback. You can play Sega Rally on it and it's as good as owning original cab, well it will be when I've sorted the Manual H Shifters plus you can play all the other Driving games in it along with all the PC ones

It's not all roses with Original machines, when I used to play Chase HQ, was perfectly enjoyable with my Wheel/Pedals on my desk and comfy chair, was playing it quite a lot, thought it would be much better having original machine, kept looking at uprights, tempted to bid on local one to me but thought know, if I get one it's got to be sitdown, still had one in chippy near me then. I assumed these classic arcade games would all have feedback systems like outrun, spoilt with sega I guess. So when you actually play Chase HQ in real cab, I'm thinking where's the feedback, is it broken, you always remember or think stuff was better than it is.

Upright Chase HQ not even got Brake pedal, at least sitdown has but then it's only got one speaker. Then when you find out the pedals are only switches I was so disappointed, again like outrun I didn't ever imagine an Arcade Driving game would have switches like my home made pedals and Steering wheel i did in late 80's so could play Lombard RAC Rally on Amiga for more of an Arcade Experience, really wanted to do it analogue but games wouldn't have support for it anyway, so was just Switch each end of wheel when turning and same in both pedals but was still better, never thought in million years these super cool looking sitdown driving machines in Arcades would be nearly the same
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After playing Afterburner in the Star Wars cab, even though no sound and buttons missing from control stick, it felt right sitting down playing that in enclosed cab, prefer it much better than original Upright even though its in Star Wars and when I've sorted a few things out and can get to the Afterburner Upright, that machine will be going for that reason and also I do need to sell some machines to fit in other stuff bought and yet to rebuild

sure, same again with Afterburner, some here it's there most wanted game, I understand that, not my most wanted game, would of liked a sitdown moving one though, just adds more fun but having played It sitting down now with analogue Stick and Throttle that works perfect, I enjoyed it more than I've ever done before, speakers right behind your ears and getting the stereo effect and under the seat, thought actually this is a pretty good game

Don't think I could play Space Harrier much if it wasn't Deluxe Moving one either, first played it on sitdown standard machine at Neils and found it Dull to be totally honest

I'm not saying any of this to burst anyones bubble or wind anyone up, just telling you my honest thoughts over the time I've been buying machines. Standard type games with Joystick and Buttons I don't have many, can play them in any Jamma cab with original boards or on mame

Games I really liked BITD, had to have those dedicated cab if poss like Double Dragon, even though it would of been Jamma cab I played and probably bootleg pcb, other than DD, Street Fighter, Kung Fu Master, Rampage, Pac-Man and Track & Field, all the games I got are ones with special screens, controls, shooting games, driving games mainly because Emulators didn't work right, need the controller or 3 monitors so no other way to play them properly

Was even disappointed when playing Op Thunderbolt in Skeggy, realised the guns are just joysticks when entering name, with Op wolf being Light Gun I assumed all these years that was same, it put me off buying one, but I guess it works ok and when found about the Smaller ones I had to get one, That was a mamed cab when I got it, it was sold because it didn't seem to work properly on PC, I didn't try it though but again it's probably just down to setup, just ripped it all out again and converted back to original hardware though, still great to play and very fond memories on the Amiga

Just got back from the Powder Coaters so I can get my project cab finished, it's one of the only machines I've got without original hardware, but from how much I've enjoyed doing the work on it and testing games on it so far, can see this being one of my favourite machines even though it's Emulators
 

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Nice post!
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Reasons I wanted an original Outrun: -

1) Nostalgia (played it loads as a kid - grail cab!)

2) I could afford it

3) I play it a lot (a few times a week at least)

4) It's an iconic game, show-off piece (this is my ego reason right here)

5) I have quite a few local friends who also like it and play it regularly

6) I enjoy restoring cabs - it's my hobby!

7) Wife is ok with it as I am preserving old things

8) Kids love playing it!

9) I'm not a tech genius, but know enough to get by repairing things to a point, so I'll relish the challenge if/when the PCB or monitor has issues.

I am not a collector, I have 6 cabs... one more probably and I'm at capacity. I don't buy them just to "have" them. They get played every week.

So a lot of reasons for me... but maybe I am in the minority ticking all those boxes....
 

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The main problem is that nowadays there are far more collectors than machines have been built, so not everybody can own an Outrun, Star Wars, Robotron etc. If you want one of these machines today you are competing with lots of other people, and some of them earn much more money than you. And of course you will always have to wait till somebody decides to sell one. And I think I'm not the only one who wouldn't sell a cab like Robotron even if somebody offers silly money, just because I love the machine and probably won't get one again and I thankfully don't need the money.

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To be Honest, if the only issue is what price you have to pay, that's not so bad. There must be quite a few people that want a machine you can't even find at all

What machines have member been after they have never seen for sale

I think it's brilliant you play yours so much Agent, we should all aim to play them more than we do
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